Open carry "contact" by hot headed LEO.

[Beiruty]

Is that a Steyr Aug?

Nope, it is Saiga-12 converted to Bullpup using a US made stock called kushnapup

http://www.kushnapup.com/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[03Lightningrocks]

Is that a Steyr Aug?

Nope, it is Saiga-12 converted to Bullpup using a US made stock called kushnapup

http://www.kushnapup.com/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Let me know when you are ready. I am going to rig my pressure cooker with a sling to make it easier to throw over my shoulder. I am also going to give it a camo paint job.

[Beiruty]

"Legalistics" aside:

If I see someone with a rifle at a range, I will keep my eye on him
If I see someone with a rifle in a hunting environment, I will keep my eye on him
If I see someone walking down the street & carrying a rifle, I will be on alert
If I see someone with a rifle coming into a Luby's cafeteria, I will be on high alert
If I see someone with a rifle in a school setting, I will be on high, high, high alert and ready to move, move, move

Please for your own sanity, do not visit Lebanon, the country that is. You will see "guys" with RPGs, AAA mounted on their trucks and few 40-rockets Grad launchers.

[Beiruty]

Is that a Steyr Aug?

Nope, it is Saiga-12 converted to Bullpup using a US made stock called kushnapup

http://www.kushnapup.com/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Let me know when you are ready. I am going to rig my pressure cooker with a sling to make it easier to throw over my shoulder. I am also going to give it a camo paint job.

Do you have truck, I think we should mount a tripod for

. But, you have to keep that firearm at home, Ok?

[RoyGBiv]

Just to confirm, you agree there was no RAS or PC, but are ok with LEO's actions regardless?

Do you believe a LEO most KNOW a crime had been committed before a contact is made? a Detention for the purpose of investigation conducted?

Do you believe the officer seeing a shot gun, where no obvious, common, lawful purpose is plainly visible might be within reasonable limits to contact the citizen and conduct a quick inquiry?

Seems this happens and is acceptable for many reasons... Does an officer KNOW the driver in front of him is intoxicated? Or does he think it's just possible?
Does an officer KNOW the guy carrying the TV down the street is a thief? Or is it just a possibility?

And Does the officer KNOW the ,man with a shot gun where no common and obvious need for said gun is plainly present.. Does he KNOW that man is not a person prohibited fro possessing a gun? Does that officer KNOW with out contact that while carrying that long gun may be perfectly legal, it may not as well.. and the only way to find out is to make contact, or wait for an overt illegal use of the gun.

Did you read the article I linked above? All your open questions are answered there...

Bottom line, LE can ask me any question they want at any time they want. I am free to answer or not, as I see fit.
But when LE threatens to "shoot (me) in the head", they better have RAS or PC or they can expect to hear from my attorney toot sweet and face charges for official oppression and menacing and whatever other laws they actually broke. SCOTUS has already ruled, several times, that the mere presence of a gun does not constitute RAS or PC.

[mojo84]

Roy,
Keep in mind the cop said if the person make a move towards the gun he would shoot him in the head. To me, that is just a fair warning.

I had a cop tell me one time, in a semi-joking way when my car was broken into and I called him to take a report, "if you keep your gun in it's holster, I'll do the same". My response was "Likewise". He gave me a knowing smile and we moved on with my report knowing where we both stood with one another. He wasn't in for taking any junk and neither was I at the moment.

He and got along real well and he dusted for prints and did all he was supposed to do and I appreciated his assistance.

[RoyGBiv]

Roy,
Keep in mind the cop said if the person make a move towards the gun he would shoot him in the head. To me, that is just a fair warning.

And then later in the encounter a LEO draws his weapon and points it at low ready, in the direction of the OC-er, even though not a single law was broken.

Jefferson weeps.

[mojo84]

I understand your point.

[Beiruty]

Roy,
Keep in mind the cop said if the person make a move towards the gun he would shoot him in the head. To me, that is just a fair warning.

I had a cop tell me one time, in a semi-joking way when my car was broken into and I called him to take a report, "if you keep your gun in it's holster, I'll do the same". My response was "Likewise". He gave me a knowing smile and we moved on with my report knowing where we both stood with one another. He wasn't in for taking any junk and neither was I at the moment.

He and got along real well and he dusted for prints and did all he was supposed to do and I appreciated his assistance.

So let us see, if LEO can threaten my life and he is entitled to it. As citizen, I would say the same, Do not touch your rifle and I will not touch mine. The LEO had a full-auto M4 slung, no?

[mojo84]

Don't take my comment as advice or a recommendation. You are a free man, do what you want but be prepared to deal with the consequences whether they be bad or good or what you expected or what you didn't expect.

I also don't always take a warning as a threat.

[03Lightningrocks]

I don't think law enforcement officers are held to the exact same standards as a civilian. As a civilian, we have the option of walking away or even avoiding the situation. A law enforcement officer is duty bound to stand and verify the danger is neutralized. How about when an officer forcefully says, stop or I will shoot? Maybe this officer used a little more "color" than required but he had to be sure this guy got the message. When did we all become so touchy feely about a word? I am beginning to think the libtards and Obama have begun to have more of a sissyfying affect on us all than we thought. We are now gonna nit pick how a cop phrases his intentions if we go for our guns? I suppose I was raised with a little thicker skin than that... but then again... I also don't believe every kid that played soccer in the city league, win or lose, "deserves" a trophy.

Here is my perspective on what the cop said to him. "BooHoo, you hurt my little feelings. I was acting like a total fool and you said a mean thing to me. Boohoo, you said you would shoot me in my whittle head.". That about covers it.

[texanjoker]

I don't think law enforcement officers are held to the exact same standards as a civilian. As a civilian, we have the option of walking away or even avoiding the situation. A law enforcement officer is duty bound to stand and verify the danger is neutralized. How about when an officer forcefully says, stop or I will shoot? Maybe this officer used a little more "color" than required but he had to be sure this guy got the message. When did we all become so touchy feely about a word? I am beginning to think the libtards and Obama have begun to have more of a sissyfying affect on us all than we thought. We are now gonna nit pick how a cop phrases his intentions if we go for our guns? I suppose I was raised with a little thicker skin than that... but then again... I also don't believe every kid that played soccer in the city league, win or lose, "deserves" a trophy.

Here is my perspective on what the cop said to him. "BooHoo, you hurt my little feelings. I was acting like a total fool and you said a mean thing to me. Boohoo, you said you would shoot me in my whittle head.". That about covers it.

[RoyGBiv]

I don't think law enforcement officers are held to the exact same standards as a civilian. As a civilian, we have the option of walking away or even avoiding the situation. A law enforcement officer is duty bound to stand and verify the danger is neutralized. How about when an officer forcefully says, stop or I will shoot? Maybe this officer used a little more "color" than required but he had to be sure this guy got the message. When did we all become so touchy feely about a word? I am beginning to think the libtards and Obama have begun to have more of a sissyfying affect on us all than we thought. We are now gonna nit pick how a cop phrases his intentions if we go for our guns? I suppose I was raised with a little thicker skin than that... but then again... I also don't believe every kid that played soccer in the city league, win or lose, "deserves" a trophy.

Here is my perspective on what the cop said to him. "BooHoo, you hurt my little feelings. I was acting like a total fool and you said a mean thing to me. Boohoo, you said you would shoot me in my whittle head.". That about covers it.

I think there's lots of merit and reality in what you're saying...
Please remember that some of this discussion is about principal... what is right/wrong.
I don't think anyone believes the world is black/white...

As you correctly note, reality and implementation require adults to give and take sometimes to avoid unintended consequences.

There's a good discussion going on here... http://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?10234-Because-OC" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Some SME's (subject matter experts)... Some pro and some con..

[03Lightningrocks]

I just read that thread. Very good back and forth on it. Thanks for the link.

[jmra]

So let us see, if LEO can threaten my life and he is entitled to it. As citizen, I would say the same, Do not touch your rifle and I will not touch mine.

Take that approach and let us know how it works out for you. Oh that's right, dead men don't talk.