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oohrah wrote:Sure, letter of the law ... blah, blah, blah. If this happened in my city, I would be all over my councilman to reprimand the priggish police supervisor who set up the "jaywalk task force" in the first place.

Apparently, Austin has had some serious auto-pedestrian collisions, with at least one fatality, and the anti-jaywalking 'task force' was set up as a response to pedestrians getting run over. Most policing efforts are, after all, reactive in nature.

n5wd wrote:

oohrah wrote:Sure, letter of the law ... blah, blah, blah. If this happened in my city, I would be all over my councilman to reprimand the priggish police supervisor who set up the "jaywalk task force" in the first place.

Apparently, Austin has had some serious auto-pedestrian collisions, with at least one fatality, and the anti-jaywalking 'task force' was set up as a response to pedestrians getting run over. Most policing efforts are, after all, reactive in nature.

I live near Austin. If the news outlets don't have a new auto-pedestrian accident to report, they instead report on previous ones and how people want "something" to be done about it. Heaven knows the drivers in the city are beaten to death over "sharing" the road with bicyclists and pedestrians, so I guess someone figured it was about time to address the other side of things. I'm a very careful, cautious driver and I've had my share of near-accidents with bicyclists. None with pedestrians yet, knock on wood, but I do think there needs to be some accountability for the non-automobile traffic on the roads.

n5wd wrote:

Cedar Park Dad wrote:This is what happens when you hire a Californian to run your police department.

What in the world does that have to do with this incident?

Methinks you didn't hear Acevedo's first response (something about rapists...er whattt???) then his apology.

n5wd wrote:

oohrah wrote:Sure, letter of the law ... blah, blah, blah. If this happened in my city, I would be all over my councilman to reprimand the priggish police supervisor who set up the "jaywalk task force" in the first place.

Apparently, Austin has had some serious auto-pedestrian collisions, with at least one fatality, and the anti-jaywalking 'task force' was set up as a response to pedestrians getting run over. Most policing efforts are, after all, reactive in nature.

Typically its at 3.00AM and the pedestrians are drunk at the time. Its a side effect of declaring your downtown a drunken fratboy sanctuary.

MotherBear wrote:

n5wd wrote:

oohrah wrote:Sure, letter of the law ... blah, blah, blah. If this happened in my city, I would be all over my councilman to reprimand the priggish police supervisor who set up the "jaywalk task force" in the first place.

Apparently, Austin has had some serious auto-pedestrian collisions, with at least one fatality, and the anti-jaywalking 'task force' was set up as a response to pedestrians getting run over. Most policing efforts are, after all, reactive in nature.

I live near Austin. If the news outlets don't have a new auto-pedestrian accident to report, they instead report on previous ones and how people want "something" to be done about it. Heaven knows the drivers in the city are beaten to death over "sharing" the road with bicyclists and pedestrians, so I guess someone figured it was about time to address the other side of things. I'm a very careful, cautious driver and I've had my share of near-accidents with bicyclists. None with pedestrians yet, knock on wood, but I do think there needs to be some accountability for the non-automobile traffic on the roads.

110%

I heard dozens of people got tickets or warnings with no drama. Without video, I don't know why she wasn't among the 99%.

You can't legislate stupidity. We let people ride motorcycles without a helmet, but we regulate crossing the street. Still seems like a waste of resources to me, since it will have little effect, especially around campus.

Texsquatch wrote:But she did do something wrong. Maybe the arrest was harsh, but maybe she'll also re-think the ear buds considering she was snatched from behind by two huge guys. Maybe she's lucky they were cops. There's plenty of other guys that could grab her in Austin - and she wouldn't get a chance to scream.

Nah, she won't. Many young women think they're invulnerable. She'll go right back to the ear buds and just hate cops.

VMI77 wrote:

Texsquatch wrote:But she did do something wrong. Maybe the arrest was harsh, but maybe she'll also re-think the ear buds considering she was snatched from behind by two huge guys. Maybe she's lucky they were cops. There's plenty of other guys that could grab her in Austin - and she wouldn't get a chance to scream.

Nah, she won't. Many young women think they're invulnerable. She'll go right back to the ear buds and just hate cops.

I don't think she had any respect in the first place otherwise she wouldn't have gone off like she did. They really should release audio of her crying rant so her parents can be proud

Jaywalking is a bigger public safety problem than a burned out license plate light. If a traffic stop for that equipment violation is good police work, then stopping jaywalkers is REALLY good police work.

texanjoker wrote:

VMI77 wrote:

Texsquatch wrote:But she did do something wrong. Maybe the arrest was harsh, but maybe she'll also re-think the ear buds considering she was snatched from behind by two huge guys. Maybe she's lucky they were cops. There's plenty of other guys that could grab her in Austin - and she wouldn't get a chance to scream.

Nah, she won't. Many young women think they're invulnerable. She'll go right back to the ear buds and just hate cops.

I don't think she had any respect in the first place otherwise she wouldn't have gone off like she did. They really should release audio of her crying rant so her parents can be proud

Well she and her friends certainly won't have respect for them now.

texanjoker wrote:

VMI77 wrote:

Texsquatch wrote:But she did do something wrong. Maybe the arrest was harsh, but maybe she'll also re-think the ear buds considering she was snatched from behind by two huge guys. Maybe she's lucky they were cops. There's plenty of other guys that could grab her in Austin - and she wouldn't get a chance to scream.

Nah, she won't. Many young women think they're invulnerable. She'll go right back to the ear buds and just hate cops.

I don't think she had any respect in the first place otherwise she wouldn't have gone off like she did. They really should release audio of her crying rant so her parents can be proud

I think her crying audio should be played to show LEO's how young women grabbed from behind react. She might be a spoiled brat. Perhaps she would have thrown a fit anyway, we will never know. However how she was initially detained colored from the start the whole interaction. They chose to use violence (grabbing someone from behind) to initiate a contact and are surprised when it went south from there.

She might be a brat. That does not excuse them for being stupid and callous in their approach. Tap on the shoulder, tap on the arm, wave a hand in front of a persons face, there are many ways to get someone's attention apart from grabbing them from behind.

Like I said before. I have hearing loss in my right ear--not through anything I did. If a person comes up behind me and talks with say the noise of traffic in the background I won't hear them. I don't think my inability to hear in that ear necessitates me being assaulted (which if anyone else had done that stunt is what they would be charged with).

She might be a brat, but that does not mean that the LEO's were not out of line as well.

mamabearCali wrote:

texanjoker wrote:

VMI77 wrote:

Texsquatch wrote:But she did do something wrong. Maybe the arrest was harsh, but maybe she'll also re-think the ear buds considering she was snatched from behind by two huge guys. Maybe she's lucky they were cops. There's plenty of other guys that could grab her in Austin - and she wouldn't get a chance to scream.

Nah, she won't. Many young women think they're invulnerable. She'll go right back to the ear buds and just hate cops.

I don't think she had any respect in the first place otherwise she wouldn't have gone off like she did. They really should release audio of her crying rant so her parents can be proud

I think her crying audio should be played to show LEO's how young women grabbed from behind react. She might be a spoiled brat. Perhaps she would have thrown a fit anyway, we will never know. However how she was initially detained colored from the start the whole interaction. They chose to use violence (grabbing someone from behind) to initiate a contact and are surprised when it went south from there.

She might be a brat. That does not excuse them for being stupid and callous in their approach. Tap on the shoulder, tap on the arm, wave a hand in front of a persons face, there are many ways to get someone's attention apart from grabbing them from behind.

Like I said before. I have hearing loss in my right ear--not through anything I did. If a person comes up behind me and talks with say the noise of traffic in the background I won't hear them. I don't think my inability to hear in that ear necessitates me being assaulted (which if anyone else had done that stunt is what they would be charged with).

She might be a brat, but that does not mean that the LEO's were not out of line as well.

Agreed.

Short and sweet....both the LEOs and the jogger handled it wrong.

Cedar Park Dad wrote:

n5wd wrote:

Cedar Park Dad wrote:This is what happens when you hire a Californian to run your police department.

What in the world does that have to do with this incident?

Methinks you didn't hear Acevedo's first response (something about rapists...er whattt???) then his apology.

Heard? No. Read about it. Yes.

In a way, he's right, though... if that's the biggest controversy going on in A-town, then you guys don't know how good you got it.