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RHenriksen wrote:I called Navarez's office, and told the lady there that Texas is one of the only states I know of that criminalizes overlooking a gun buster sign (or did back in 1995-1997, and effectively would again with this bill). Suggested that if they wanted to de-criminalize overlooking the sign, they would be welcome to make it as small as they like!

This is actually a good point. If no guns signs were like no dogs signs where you'd have to be warned and only criminally trespassing if you fail to depart, I'd actually welcome the change.

De-criminalize and then do whatever you want with the sign. Ill still be looking for it so I know where to spend my money.

I still don't understand why the law puts a maximum size for the gun-buster sign. It seems that if they wanted to placate MDA, which attacks the size of the 30.06 as a straw, tangential attack on concealed carry, the law would say that a certain tiny minimum size would be fine, giving the shopkeeper liberty to make his statement as loud and proud as he wanted.

Oh, wait, liberty. I see. That's the problem. Never mind.

Being discussed now in committee.

HOUSE COMMITTEE CONSIDERING LIVE TESTIMONY HB 2405 AT THIS TIME

I love Alice. She's like my grandmother, but with a gun.

I got very uncomfortable with the Open Carry Texas representative testifying. He was saying they would change there vote from Against to For if the criminal penalty was removed. I'd love to not have the criminal penalty on the current 30.06 but that's not the only reason for opposing HB 2405. There has been some testimony that argued against the bill because of the danger of accidentally walking past a smaller sign and being arrested. That's a good argument but it's not the only one. I got very uncomfortable with saying support would shift to the bill if the penalty was removed from this bill.

Testimony given in support of the bill just quoted the survey we had on this site, saying people would intentionally walk past a non-compliant sign.

For those who miss Tuesday's action on HB 2405 here is the link to archived broadcasts
for Texas House Committees:

http://www.house.state.tx.us/video-audi ... dcasts/84/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Select the April 7th, 10:30 a.m., Homeland Security and Public Safety Committee hearing

rivertripper wrote:For those who miss Tuesday's action on HB 2405 here is the link to archived broadcasts
for Texas House Committees:

http://www.house.state.tx.us/video-audi ... dcasts/84/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Select the April 7th, 10:30 a.m., Homeland Security and Public Safety Committee hearing

The testimony is going on now live.

jerry_r60 wrote:Testimony given in support of the bill just quoted the survey we had on this site, saying people would intentionally walk past a non-compliant sign.

Yeah, this is why I voiced my concern about that survey.

Testimony is over. The bill author closed with an opening for an amendment to take away the criminal penalty, that's what it sounded like to me. If this bill passed, I'd prefer that amendment than not, but It would be better to not have the bill and work to remove the criminal penalty from the existing 30.06.

TVGuy wrote:

jerry_r60 wrote:Testimony given in support of the bill just quoted the survey we had on this site, saying people would intentionally walk past a non-compliant sign.

Yeah, this is why I voiced my concern about that survey.

We either have spies, moles, or both on this site.

jerry_r60 wrote:Testimony is over. The bill author closed with an opening for an amendment to take away the criminal penalty, that's what it sounded like to me. If this bill passed, I'd prefer that amendment than not, but It would be better to not have the bill and work to remove the criminal penalty from the existing 30.06.

Really? If there is no criminal penalty they can make the gun busters sign any sign that says "pull" or "push" and it is just fine by me.

steveincowtown wrote:

jerry_r60 wrote:Testimony is over. The bill author closed with an opening for an amendment to take away the criminal penalty, that's what it sounded like to me. If this bill passed, I'd prefer that amendment than not, but It would be better to not have the bill and work to remove the criminal penalty from the existing 30.06.

Really? If there is no criminal penalty they can make the gun busters sign any sign that says "pull" or "push" and it is just fine by me.

Seems logical. Somehow I don't think it'll work out that way...