Packing before CHL

[NguyenVanDon]

Allright, NguyenVanDon, I'm pretty laid back about most things.

But, really, I don't think your avatar is appropriate. Interesting, but not appropriate. Could you, please, take care of that?

OPPS! Done. Thanks btw...

[pbandjelly]

I think there are channels to remedy that type of situation.
a PM would have sufficed, I believe.

[Dougmyers5]

txinvestigator
When you hold a CHL class do you tell people they can bring their own guns?

Before this new law was passed it was not legal to carry a gun in the car was it?

Just asking because it seems a double standard to tell someone they can bring a gun before they have a CHL and then tell a person they are breaking the law if they carry with out a CHL.

I am not condoning breaking the law nor accusing you of it I am just asking a question.

I rented a gun at the range to take my CHL test because it seemed the right thing to do to me.

[HankB]

. . . If you are subjective in your willingness to obey the law, then you are not a law abiding citizen, nor ethical . . .

Hmmmm . . . not much wiggle room there, you seem to be pretty much an absolutist when it comes to obeying the law . . . so tell me, do you regard Rosa Parks as an unethical lawbreaker?

[Crossfire]

I think there are channels to remedy that type of situation.
a PM would have sufficed, I believe.

I am sorry if my request offended you. It was only a request, not a directive. However, your point is well taken.

[stevie_d_64]

I think there are channels to remedy that type of situation.
a PM would have sufficed, I believe.

I am sorry if my request offended you. It was only a request, not a directive. However, your point is well taken.

What a rip! I didn't even get a chance to check it out!

You guys are fast!!!

[cxm]

Jeff,

Doctrine of necessity... competing harms... long established at law... sort of like speeding getting someone to the hospital in an emergency...

The problem is I don't see how it applies here.... I suppose a good lawyer could make such a case... but sounds pretty risky to me.

Chuck

With which militia group do you associate, sympathize, support, ...whatever?

Man, give me a break. Whether you believe it or not there are a lot of people out there packing without a CHL. They don't have to be a conspiracy theorist to do so, which I am not. Just go on and search everyone you stop. I'm sure every once in a while you'll find something. Meanwhile look up the laws on reasonable search and seizure.

I am well aware of the "rulings" on search and seizure, Scooter. Why don't you enlighten the others, though.

Again, I already said IF you are carrying in compliance with the law, then this conversation is moot. I take it from your posts that you were not carrying legally before the traveling presumption became effective. Did I misread?

[cxm]

Turned out as it should have... in Louisiana it is perfectly legal to carry a loaded hand gun in your vehicle... your car is considered to be an extension of your home for that purpose.

FWIW

Chuck

Well, I guess lump me in with all the other "thugs" on here.

I've had a gun in a vehicle with me at all times since I was 15 years old. I have had to pull it (but never use it) twice in my life and I'm darn glad I had it both times.

I got stopped for speeding (there I go being a "thug" again ) in Louisiana one night. My family & I were visiting relatives and I was driving faster than I should have been. I got pulled over did everything the officer asked me to do. When I handed him all my stuff, I had forgotten to get my vehicle registration out. We walked back up to my truck I got back in the driver's seat and he noticed my 9mm Ruger sitting in the door pocket. The conversation went something like this:

"Sir is this your weapon?"

"Yes Sir"

"Sir, is it loaded?"

"Yes sir it is, loaded and one in the chamber."

"Is it registered to you?"

"Yes Sir."

He picked the gun up and said, "I'm going to take this back to my car for both of our safety."

"OK"

He took the gun back to his car and ran all of my information. He came back to my truck a few minutes later and said "Well everything checks out."

"Yes Sir."

He closed the door to my truck, shined his light in my truck, saw my wife and 2 kids and said "Well I'm not going to write you a ticket but please slow it down."

"Yes Sir."

He then handed me my gun which he had removed the magazine and chambered round and said "Do me a favor and wait until you get down the road a bit before you reload."

"Yes Sir, thank you."

Could that have turned out much worse? ABSOLUTELY. I think the fact that I had a clean driving record, the gun was registered to me and the fact that my family was in the vehicle all played a factor in his handling of the situation. I truly believe that had I been alone in my vehicle that night things would have been MUCH different. Did that stop me from keeping a gun in my vehicle? NO WAY. I've been stopped a few times since then and have never been asked or had my vehicle searched. I believe that most of it has to do with how you present yourself and treat the officer if you are stopped. I never actually carried a gun on my person until I got my CHL.

[KBCraig]

Doctrine of necessity... competing harms... long established at law... sort of like speeding getting someone to the hospital in an emergency...

The problem is I don't see how it applies here.... I suppose a good lawyer could make such a case... but sounds pretty risky to me.

I was going to suggest the same thing: "necessity".

As for how it applies, I think someone would need a specific, articulable reason that applied to that instance. Someone who has been threatened and has been granted a restraining order should certainly qualify under "necessity".

Kevin

[TxRVer]

txinvestigator
When you hold a CHL class do you tell people they can bring their own guns?

Before this new law was passed it was not legal to carry a gun in the car was it?

Just asking because it seems a double standard to tell someone they can bring a gun before they have a CHL and then tell a person they are breaking the law if they carry with out a CHL.

I am not condoning breaking the law nor accusing you of it I am just asking a question.

I rented a gun at the range to take my CHL test because it seemed the right thing to do to me.

As long as I can remember it's been legal to carry a handgun to a range.

[J.D.]

Thats what I like about this forum. Opinions, opinions. Makes for great reading

[govnor]

Well, it seems like I stirred up something. It was unintentional, actually. I wasn't trying to "bait" anyone into saying that they broke the law. It was a serious question because I was curious, since I've done it and know a lot of people who have. The people I know who have carried without a CHL either now have one, or had a reason to carry. They are not "thugs." In fact, my friends are all very successful people. Besides, even if you admitted to doing it and now have a CHL...who cares. You can say you did anything you want and it's not prosecutable because it's hearsay.

As far as the "travelling" law goes...it hasn't changed much. The only thing that changed recently is that before you had to prove that you were travelling. Now, the burden is on the state and they have to prove you weren't travelling. Therefore, if you had the right circumstances before, then not much has changed. I'm definitely no saint, but I'm also not out trying to rob or hurt people. The only illegal thing I ever do is carry a gun and sometimes speed. That's five miles over, btw...

As far as admitting it on an open forum...who cares. First of all it could be a lie and I don't even own a gun. Second of all...the cops have got much better things to do with their time. They ain't looking for someone like me, I can guarantee that. My record is squeaky clean.

I know I come across as a guns blazing redneck (and I am), but I obey the law, I pay my taxes, I own a nice house and I'm a successful businessman. It kind of freaks me out when some people are so letter of the law that if you break ANY law it makes you a psycho or a terrible person. That's weird to me. I guess I don't know anyone that straight edged, even the cops that I talk to...

[Mike from Texas]

Turned out as it should have... in Louisiana it is perfectly legal to carry a loaded hand gun in your vehicle... your car is considered to be an extension of your home for that purpose.

FWIW

Chuck

Was this the case 10-12 years ago?

[pbandjelly]

I know I come across as a guns blazing redneck (and I am), but I obey the law, I pay my taxes, I own a nice house and I'm a successful businessman. It kind of freaks me out when some people are so letter of the law that if you break ANY law it makes you a psycho or a terrible person. That's weird to me. I guess I don't know anyone that straight edged, even the cops that I talk to...

Well, good to know!
I would say that perception is sometimes our worst enemy.
I am talking from a great deal of experience here, and have had my fair share of labels and what not.
the key is, for me alone, to try to break anyone's thoughts of stereotypes.
I know, for me, that it is easy to stereotype me into certain categories. that being said, I try to not fall into those, and show that yeah, you can have differing opinions, and likes/dislikes, and even moors without being completly on the "wrong" side.
good day.

[BamBam]

[quote]Hey Gov like I have read on this and so many other forums. " Better to be Judged by 12 then carried by 6 " If you need to carry to protect you and family thats OK by me!


I agree... we should all be allowed to defend ourselves with or without a piece of plastic that only says we can carry concealed on or about our person. Defend yourself and you family at ALL costs!!!!