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Re: Teacher arrested for relations with adult student

Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2017 2:34 pm
by mojo84
Jusme wrote:
mojo84 wrote:If this is not illegal, why the arrest?

Here is the Texas Penal Code regarding Teacher Student sexual contact:

ec. 21.12. IMPROPER RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN EDUCATOR AND STUDENT. (a) An employee of a public or private primary or secondary school commits an offense if the employee:
(1) engages in sexual contact, sexual intercourse, or deviate sexual intercourse with a person who is enrolled in a public or private primary or secondary school at which the employee works;
(2) holds a certificate or permit issued as provided by Subchapter B, Chapter 21, Education Code, or is a person who is required to be licensed by a state agency as provided by Section 21.003(b), Education Code, and engages in sexual contact, sexual intercourse, or deviate sexual intercourse with a person the employee knows is:
(A) enrolled in a public primary or secondary school in the same school district as the school at which the employee works; or
(B) a student participant in an educational activity that is sponsored by a school district or a public or private primary or secondary school, if:
(i) students enrolled in a public or private primary or secondary school are the primary participants in the activity; and
(ii) the employee provides education services to those participants; or
(3) engages in conduct described by Section 33.021, with a person described by Subdivision (1), or a person the employee knows is a person described by Subdivision (2)(A) or (B), regardless of the age of that person.
(b) An offense under this section is a felony of the second degree.
(b-1) It is an affirmative defense to prosecution under this section that:
(1) the actor was the spouse of the enrolled person at the time of the offense; or
(2) the actor was not more than three years older than the enrolled person and, at the time of the offense, the actor and the enrolled person were in a relationship that began before the actor's employment at a public or private primary or secondary school.
(c) If conduct constituting an offense under this section also constitutes an offense under another section of this code, the actor may be prosecuted under either section or both sections.
(d) The name of a person who is enrolled in a public or private primary or secondary school and involved in an improper relationship with an educator as provided by Subsection (a) may not be released to the public and is not public information under Chapter 552, Government Code.

Added by Acts 2003, 78th Leg., ch. 224, Sec. 1, eff. Sept. 1, 2003.

I thought this was at a college or university. Aren't primary and secondary schools elementary and highs schools?

Re: Teacher arrested for relations with adult student

Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2017 2:38 pm
by Jusme
My understanding was that the teacher was a high school teacher, and the student was 18 (I assume a senior)

The situation nightmare69 referred to was just an escort from the college campus after being fired, I don't believe there was an arrest.

Re: Teacher arrested for relations with adult student

Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2017 3:31 pm
by mojo84
Jusme wrote:My understanding was that the teacher was a high school teacher, and the student was 18 (I assume a senior)

The situation nightmare69 referred to was just an escort from the college campus after being fired, I don't believe there was an arrest.
My bad. I assumed this was a college based on nightmare's posts.

I do believe there is to much influence a high school teacher can have over a student for them to be allowed to have such relations. Call me a prude.Now that I have kids, I wouldn't appreciate such activities.

I will admit, I did have a crush on a couple of my teachers but they were never acted upon.

I also believe it is different when talking about college students.

Re: Teacher arrested for relations with adult student

Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2017 4:10 pm
by jkurtz
RoyGBiv wrote:
jkurtz wrote:
RoyGBiv wrote:Is a military officer allowed to have a relationship with any enlisted personnel, whether in the direct line of command or not? Wonder why not?
Actually, under certain circumstances, the answer is yes.
But none of those situations relate to the discussion at hand.. right?
Like being married before they enlisted.. :roll:
Correct, none of those situations would apply here. In this case, we are talking about two civilians, therefore bringing up what is or is not allowed in the military per UCMJ was equally irrelevant.

Re: Teacher arrested for relations with adult student

Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2017 5:02 pm
by nightmare69
Jusme wrote:My understanding was that the teacher was a high school teacher, and the student was 18 (I assume a senior)

The situation nightmare69 referred to was just an escort from the college campus after being fired, I don't believe there was an arrest.
No arrest as it's not illegal to sleep with college students as a employee of a university. It's against policy but the worst that will happen is you will get fired. I've seen some instances swept under the rug also.

Re: Teacher arrested for relations with adult student

Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2017 5:11 pm
by JRG
Soccerdad1995 wrote:

I am FAR from an expert on women,


I don't know anyone who is!!

Joe :???:

Re: Teacher arrested for relations with adult student

Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2017 5:37 pm
by jkurtz
JRG wrote:
Soccerdad1995 wrote:

I am FAR from an expert on women,


I don't know anyone who is!!

Joe :???:
Women understand women and they hate each other.

Re: Teacher arrested for relations with adult student

Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2017 6:50 pm
by Ameer
Jusme wrote: The situation nightmare69 referred to was just an escort from the college campus after being fired, I don't believe there was an arrest.
Who was running the escort service?

Re: Teacher arrested for relations with adult student

Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2017 12:05 am
by jmra
mojo84 wrote:
Jusme wrote:My understanding was that the teacher was a high school teacher, and the student was 18 (I assume a senior)

The situation nightmare69 referred to was just an escort from the college campus after being fired, I don't believe there was an arrest.
My bad. I assumed this was a college based on nightmare's posts.

I do believe there is to much influence a high school teacher can have over a student for them to be allowed to have such relations. Call me a prude.Now that I have kids, I wouldn't appreciate such activities.

I will admit, I did have a crush on a couple of my teachers but they were never acted upon.

I also believe it is different when talking about college students.
:iagree:
Until you've delt with an 18 yo senior whose ability to graduate with their class could depend on a grade from a single teacher it is simply not possible to understand the power a teacher can have over that student. The abuse of that power by both male and female teachers happens much too often. This is not consensual sex. In order to protect students from this type of abuse the Texas legislature felt that the current law needed to be enacted. Every teacher is fully aware of this law and understands the consequences if they choose to violate it.