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Re: 17y/o Killed By Neighborhood Watch/CHL
Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2012 11:18 am
by WildBill
AFCop wrote:
That would be a great disservice to justice...... and a violation of the 5th Amendment of the U. S. Constitution which states:
"No person shall be held to answer for a
capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a
presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases ...
I hope I am not the one thinking this....
I think that this applies only to federal courts.
Re: 17y/o Killed By Neighborhood Watch/CHL
Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2012 11:20 am
by speedsix
Re: 17y/o Killed By Neighborhood Watch/CHL
Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2012 12:05 pm
by WildBill
AFCop quoted the US Constitution. Many states have included this or similar wording in their constitutions.
Section 10. No person shall be tried for a capital crime or other felony, unless on presentment or indictment by grand jury, except as is otherwise provided in this Constitution, and except in cases of impeachment, and in cases in the militia when in active service in time of war, or which the State, with the consent of Congress, may keep, in time of peace.
http://www.law.fsu.edu/crc/conhist/1885con.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Re: 17y/o Killed By Neighborhood Watch/CHL
Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2012 12:28 pm
by speedsix
...at least we're learning 'bout the system here...
http://campus.udayton.edu/~grandjur/stategj/funcsgj.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Re: 17y/o Killed By Neighborhood Watch/CHL
Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2012 1:10 pm
by WildBill
"Twenty-five states make the use of indictments optional. Most of them let prosecutors use either an indictment or an information to charge any offense."
Re: 17y/o Killed By Neighborhood Watch/CHL
Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2012 2:00 pm
by speedsix
...this part makes the point here: "... Twenty-three states (Alabama, Alaska, Delaware, Florida, Kentucky, Louisiana, Maine, Massachusetts, Minnesota, Mississippi, Missouri, New Hampshire, New Jersey, New York, North Carolina, North Dakota, Ohio, Rhode Island, South Carolina, Tennessee, Texas, Virginia and West Virginia) plus the District of Columbia require that indictments be used to charge certain crimes. These states tend to follow federal practice, requiring that indictments be used to charge serious crimes..."
...if I'm going to be charged with a capital crime...I sure want more than one person to decide it...especially when that one person is a politically-motivated one...
Re: 17y/o Killed By Neighborhood Watch/CHL
Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2012 2:58 pm
by baldeagle
speedsix wrote:...this part makes the point here: "... Twenty-three states (Alabama, Alaska, Delaware, Florida, Kentucky, Louisiana, Maine, Massachusetts, Minnesota, Mississippi, Missouri, New Hampshire, New Jersey, New York, North Carolina, North Dakota, Ohio, Rhode Island, South Carolina, Tennessee, Texas, Virginia and West Virginia) plus the District of Columbia require that indictments be used to charge certain crimes. These states tend to follow federal practice, requiring that indictments be used to charge serious crimes..."
...if I'm going to be charged with a capital crime...I sure want more than one person to decide it...especially when that one person is a politically-motivated one...
You do know the old aphorism, "A grand jury would indict a ham sandwich"? The times when a grand jury declines to indict are definitely in the minority. (I get your point, though.)
Re: 17y/o Killed By Neighborhood Watch/CHL
Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2012 3:15 pm
by speedsix
...I do remember that...hadn't heard it in awhile...
Re: 17y/o Killed By Neighborhood Watch/CHL
Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2012 3:55 pm
by WildBill
baldeagle wrote:speedsix wrote:...this part makes the point here: "... Twenty-three states (Alabama, Alaska, Delaware, Florida, Kentucky, Louisiana, Maine, Massachusetts, Minnesota, Mississippi, Missouri, New Hampshire, New Jersey, New York, North Carolina, North Dakota, Ohio, Rhode Island, South Carolina, Tennessee, Texas, Virginia and West Virginia) plus the District of Columbia require that indictments be used to charge certain crimes. These states tend to follow federal practice, requiring that indictments be used to charge serious crimes..."
...if I'm going to be charged with a capital crime...I sure want more than one person to decide it...especially when that one person is a politically-motivated one...
You do know the old aphorism, "A grand jury would indict a ham sandwich"? The times when a grand jury declines to indict are definitely in the minority. (I get your point, though.)
"Even a modestly competent district attorney can get a grand jury to indict a ham sandwich." - Sol Wachtler, former Chief Judge of New York State Court of Appeals.
http://www.qotd.org/search/search.html?aid=7552" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Re: 17y/o Killed By Neighborhood Watch/CHL
Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2012 3:58 pm
by speedsix
...I thought that was you stalking me at Wiki awhile ago...
Re: 17y/o Killed By Neighborhood Watch/CHL
Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2012 3:58 pm
by The Annoyed Man
Texas lawyers offer $10,000 for George Zimmerman's legal defense
5:48 p.m. EST, March 30, 2012|
By Henry Pierson Curtis, Orlando Sentinel
The National Association for Legal Gun Defense wants to contribute $10,000 toward George Zimmerman's legal expenses, a member said today.
The group represents gun owners involved in self-defense shooting cases, said attorney Blue Rannefeld of Fort Worth, Texas.
Rannefeld said he has not been able to contact Zimmerman, 28, and is trying to reach Zimmerman's attorney, Craig Sonner of Altamonte Springs to make the group's offer of assistance.
Re: 17y/o Killed By Neighborhood Watch/CHL
Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2012 4:02 pm
by speedsix
...that's just bait...they're trying to collect on the bounty...don't look, Ethel!!!
Re: 17y/o Killed By Neighborhood Watch/CHL
Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2012 6:08 pm
by VoiceofReason
I would like to see someone start an online petition to have Rosie O'Donnel arrested because she is ugly, stupid, and has a big mouth. It would probably get a lot of signatures.
It would be funny and also make a statement about the
uselessness of the online petitions to have Zimmerman arrested.

Re: 17y/o Killed By Neighborhood Watch/CHL
Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2012 6:31 pm
by Lambda Force
VoiceofReason wrote:I would like to see someone start an online petition to have Rosie O'Donnel arrested because she is ugly, stupid, and has a big mouth. It would probably get a lot of signatures.
The cost of feeding her might bankrput the prison system.
Re: 17y/o Killed By Neighborhood Watch/CHL
Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2012 6:57 pm
by Beiruty
The Annoyed Man wrote:Texas lawyers offer $10,000 for George Zimmerman's legal defense
5:48 p.m. EST, March 30, 2012|
By Henry Pierson Curtis, Orlando Sentinel
The National Association for Legal Gun Defense wants to contribute $10,000 toward George Zimmerman's legal expenses, a member said today.
The group represents gun owners involved in self-defense shooting cases, said attorney Blue Rannefeld of Fort Worth, Texas.
Rannefeld said he has not been able to contact Zimmerman, 28, and is trying to reach Zimmerman's attorney, Craig Sonner of Altamonte Springs to make the group's offer of assistance.
NRA, should pitch in too. I will pitch in, if the man is truly innocent.