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Molon_labe wrote:I have a solution for it..but noone will like it

Same solution for people that get in high speed evasion from LEO that result in a high speed chase

ZERO TOLERANCE and immediate execution...PERIOD!

If you purposefully camouflage yourself as a LEO and pull people over and are caught..you are immediately executed
If you run from the police and are captured on video...you are immediately executed

two or three of these and people would STOP doing it

Yeah right on!!!! Who needs the 6th, 7th, and 8th Amendment!!!!

gregthehand wrote:

Molon_labe wrote:I have a solution for it..but noone will like it

Same solution for people that get in high speed evasion from LEO that result in a high speed chase

ZERO TOLERANCE and immediate execution...PERIOD!

If you purposefully camouflage yourself as a LEO and pull people over and are caught..you are immediately executed
If you run from the police and are captured on video...you are immediately executed

two or three of these and people would STOP doing it

Yeah right on!!!! Who needs the 6th, 7th, and 8th Amendment!!!!

And those people they rape/murder in their crime traffic stops or run over/kill with vehicles?

6th...speedy trial (judge sees badguy running on tv, and counts his infractions) speedy enough right
7th..trial by jury..news sets up a call in vote scrolling thru below the report...take the calls in and kapow..trial by your peers
8th..cruel and unusual see my above

You know what I mean..I am just sick and tired of the scumballs getting away with crime after crime with a mild slap on the wrist...creating fear of LEO that are trying to keep us safe, creating massive hazardous conditions by running when they did something wrong

"""All of this came about because police started writing tickets for revenue instead of safety. If we were truly safety oriented, we would have the gaudiest marked cars we can patrolling. That way, people will slow down and obey the law more. At least they will think there are more patrol cars because they will see more of them and it has a small deterrence effect. Unmarked cars, stealth marked cars, and slicktops are all designed to catch the eprson in the act. For traffic, that means we want to write the tickets instead of deter and moeny is the only excuse I can see for that."""

I agree, I think a lot of what we see in Law Enforcement is $$$ related, Terrible.

Odin wrote:

cbr600 wrote:Hiding or using an unmarked vehicle sounds like a stratagem or the like for catching a person unawares.

Are you suggesting that...

Oh, dear! My apologies. It seems I may have sacrificed clarity in pursuit of the soul of wit. Let me try again.

Suppose I'm somewhere and don't want people (or a specific person) to know. I might hide behind something to conceal my presence. I might wear a disguise to conceal my identity. I could do similar things with my vehicle, either hiding it from view or camouflaging it as something else.

Now suppose I reveal myself. Voilà! I have caught the person unawares.

If I intended to do that, hiding or wearing a disguise was "a stratagem, trick, or the like for catching a person unawares."

Therefore, if the definition of "trap" posted by you is accurate, I'm suggesting that Admiral Ackbar was right.

cbr600 wrote:

Odin wrote:

cbr600 wrote:Hiding or using an unmarked vehicle sounds like a stratagem or the like for catching a person unawares.

Are you suggesting that...

Oh, dear! My apologies. It seems I may have sacrificed clarity in pursuit of the soul of wit. Let me try again.

Suppose I'm somewhere and don't want people (or a specific person) to know. I might hide behind something to conceal my presence. I might wear a disguise to conceal my identity. I could do similar things with my vehicle, either hiding it from view or camouflaging it as something else.

Now suppose I reveal myself. Voilà! I have caught the person unawares.

If I intended to do that, hiding or wearing a disguise was "a stratagem, trick, or the like for catching a person unawares."

Therefore, if the definition of "trap" posted by you is accurate, I'm suggesting that Admiral Ackbar was right.

OK. But I would count on using the defense of "I was caught unawares" to beat a speeding ticket. I think the clearly displayed speed limit signs on the roads would negate that argument. Regardless of the officer's stealth, you weren't unaware of the law or your infraction, you were unaware that you were in imminent danger of being caught violating the law. I haven't heard of many judges falling for the "if I'd known there was a cop watching I wouldn't have broken the law" defense.

Odin wrote:

cbr600 wrote:Hiding or using an unmarked vehicle sounds like a stratagem or the like for catching a person unawares.

Are you suggesting that you only obey traffic laws when a marked police unit is in plain sight? If you obey traffic laws all the time then it doesn't matter what the police drive or where they park when running radar.

In my particular incident, normal people would expect there to be some sort of distance given for reducing speed coming off the highway exit ramp.

It shouldnt be necessary to have to brake from 60mph to 35mph with a few yards.

Speed traps exist, people shouldnt have to know every turn in every town as the only means to not be in violation of the law.

cbr600 wrote:

Odin wrote:

cbr600 wrote:Hiding or using an unmarked vehicle sounds like a stratagem or the like for catching a person unawares.

Are you suggesting that...

Oh, dear! My apologies. It seems I may have sacrificed clarity in pursuit of the soul of wit. Let me try again.

Suppose I'm somewhere and don't want people (or a specific person) to know. I might hide behind something to conceal my presence. I might wear a disguise to conceal my identity. I could do similar things with my vehicle, either hiding it from view or camouflaging it as something else.

Now suppose I reveal myself. Voilà! I have caught the person unawares.

If I intended to do that, hiding or wearing a disguise was "a stratagem, trick, or the like for catching a person unawares."

Therefore, if the definition of "trap" posted by you is accurate, I'm suggesting that Admiral Ackbar was right.

LOLOL -- "Its a trap!"

dihappy wrote:

Odin wrote:

cbr600 wrote:Hiding or using an unmarked vehicle sounds like a stratagem or the like for catching a person unawares.

Are you suggesting that you only obey traffic laws when a marked police unit is in plain sight? If you obey traffic laws all the time then it doesn't matter what the police drive or where they park when running radar.

In my particular incident, normal people would expect there to be some sort of distance given for reducing speed coming off the highway exit ramp.

It shouldnt be necessary to have to brake from 60mph to 35mph with a few yards.

Speed traps exist, people shouldnt have to know every turn in every town as the only means to not be in violation of the law.

I agree with the emphasized part of your comment.

If there is indeed a place where a driver only has mere yards to slow from 60mph to 35mph then I would video the transition showing the relative distance between the signs and the unsafe distance to slow down to the posted speed limit. I would then bring that as evidence to the court to show that it is not safely possible to comply with the posted speed limit and ask for (a) a dismissal of the ticket and (b) somebody to address the public safety issue.

I expect that most judges would dismiss your ticket if you showed proof of such an unsafe condition, provided your citation was issued for somewhere between 60mph and 30mph (showing that you attempting to reduce your speed to the posted 35mph when cited).

I also have to wonder how a police officer managed to safely squeeze a squad car into those few yards between the highway exit and that 35mph speed limit sign so he could run radar there.

I think TXDOT requires a huge attaboy for the new signs I've been seeing for the last year or so.

Instead of 'speed zone ahead', they show the upcoming reduced speed with an arrow indicating what's ahead.

That removes the element of surprise.

jhutto wrote:"""All of this came about because police started writing tickets for revenue instead of safety. .

Completely untrue. I have studied many cities in and around the DFW area, and in all of those places less than 5% of ALL city revenue comes from ALL municipal court fines, not just traffic citations.

And I'll let you in on a little secret; cops don't CARE about revenue. I never won a toaster or a trip to Jamaica by writing tickets.

This is getting way off-topic for teens posing as police officers, but ...

txinvestigator wrote:

jhutto wrote:"""All of this came about because police started writing tickets for revenue instead of safety. .

Completely untrue. I have studied many cities in and around the DFW area, and in all of those places less than 5% of ALL city revenue comes from ALL municipal court fines, not just traffic citations.

And I'll let you in on a little secret; cops don't CARE about revenue. I never won a toaster or a trip to Jamaica by writing tickets.

Cops DO CARE about revenue - They care a lot about their paychecks. And they don't want their performance reviews and raises tied to ticket quotas.

http://www.thenewspaper.com/news/13/1365.asp

http://www.khou.com/news/local/stories/ ... 5fee2.html

http://www.ksl.com/index.php?nid=148&sid=2198547

txinvestigator wrote:

jhutto wrote:"""All of this came about because police started writing tickets for revenue instead of safety. .

Completely untrue. I have studied many cities in and around the DFW area, and in all of those places less than 5% of ALL city revenue comes from ALL municipal court fines, not just traffic citations.

And I'll let you in on a little secret; cops don't CARE about revenue. I never won a toaster or a trip to Jamaica by writing tickets.

Just to be fair, it was me that made the original statement, jhutto just did not get the quotes to show it that way. And in my post, I agreed that the average cop does not care about the revenue, it is the state government and some cities that do. And while the cities in the DFW area may only get 5% of the budget, it is 5% that they need to stay budgeted. Some cities get quite a bit more, especially the ones who figured out how to beat the limits on budgets.

Odin wrote:I also have to wonder how a police officer managed to safely squeeze a squad car into those few yards between the highway exit and that 35mph speed limit sign so he could run radar there.

Not only that, he has to visually estimate the (braking, turning, decelerating) driver's speed, use his experience and training to determine that it exceeds the posted limit, and only then does he have probably cause to search the driver by triggering the radar gun.

I'll rely on Steve Rothstein for the cites... I've seen him post the relevant court cases before (in other forums), which rule that speed radar is a "search", requiring PC to trigger the radar.

KBCraig wrote:

Odin wrote:I also have to wonder how a police officer managed to safely squeeze a squad car into those few yards between the highway exit and that 35mph speed limit sign so he could run radar there.

Not only that, he has to visually estimate the (braking, turning, decelerating) driver's speed, use his experience and training to determine that it exceeds the posted limit, and only then does he have probably cause to search the driver by triggering the radar gun.

I'll rely on Steve Rothstein for the cites... I've seen him post the relevant court cases before (in other forums), which rule that speed radar is a "search", requiring PC to trigger the radar.

Never heard that joke before, was it a case heard by the 9th Circus Court in Kali? Wonder what they think about cops running tags all day long to check for warrants and stolens?

I am not blaming LEOs for this issue. I believe that the government officials promote this. Isn't it true that, by law, local governments can only keep traffic fine revenues up to 5% of their income and they have to turn over rest of it to the state? I thought I read a post about that.

Another thing that has always bothered me is if safety is a priority over revenue, why is the fine for a HOV lane violation higher than speeding or running a red light?