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57Coastie wrote:In other words, Chris, "shoot the messenger."

"The point here" is not that we are making our enemy mad. The point here is that our mission over there, like it or not, is not "kill 'em all and sort it out later." While this term bothers me, because of where it originated, our mission is to pacify the population and turn the fight against militant Islamists over to moderate Islamists. We could not make a militant Islamist more mad with what is written on a scope which took him down if we tried. But must we make those we are training to be police and soldiers "mad" and give them evidence that our real mission is converting them to Christianity?

Witness the dumb Marine lieutenant PR type quoted as saying there is no problem here. I take that "dumb" back. I am confident that the Lieutenant said exactly what the dumb Colonel or other senior officer said to say. This senior officer is not with the program, and if there are more senior officers of that mindset it will not be long until they march out like the Soviets did -- or until your great grandchildren make that march.

Try to put yourself in the shoes of one of those young Muslims our forces are valiantly risking their lives trying to train to fight the Taliban. And then think, as a man of devoted faith, what your reaction would be if it were decided to engrave "ALLAHU AKBAR" on the weapons you're using for training. And then analyze your possible reaction.

You and I, who have respect for the other's views, are in a debate that cannot end. We are talking over each other's heads -- the two of us. Neither of us have the slightest chance of convincing the other that he is wrong, and the debate can only go on, and on, and on, and on.... If the problem here is "the mission," let's debate that -- on some other forum.

Which is, again, why I have twice tried to get the mod's attention, and I implore them to cut this off.

Really, I respect your views, but I can never agree with them -- nor you with mine. Are we trying to convince someone else, someone in the middle? Not at all. There is no one in the middle.

Jim

Crossfire wrote:You guys don't need a mod to tell you to quit. You both know you have carried this argument on long enough.

Crossfire wrote:But, just to further annoy all you southern California natives, I want to report that I had an In N Out burger this past week. Double Double, animal style. Mmmm, mmmm, good!!!

Almost thinking about getting back on a plane and going back for another!

Oldgringo wrote:Hasn't this gone on long enough?

Crossfire wrote:But, just to further annoy all you southern California natives, I want to report that I had an In N Out burger this past week. Double Double, animal style. Mmmm, mmmm, good!!!

Almost thinking about getting back on a plane and going back for another!

The Annoyed Man wrote:

Crossfire wrote:But, just to further annoy all you southern California natives, I want to report that I had an In N Out burger this past week. Double Double, animal style. Mmmm, mmmm, good!!!

Almost thinking about getting back on a plane and going back for another!

Now you know that's not right! I think we need opinion from Charles.

SmoothFox wrote:

ChuckW wrote:This is just to let you know that there are others on this forum who share your views. I typically do not contribute to topics like this because I don't want to get into a long term pitching contest that requires me to log on 50 times a day to respond to all of the predictable negative feedback. This is a great forum where members share a common interest and typically respect differing views. Sometimes however topics like this make me feel that one who does not share a particular well defined set of religious views need not apply. And, for the record, I am a Christian but I don't see the need for all this proselytizing, particularly at government expense and where it is contrary to a stated mission.

marksiwel wrote:Doesnt matter anymore, anyways
http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/01/21/rifles.bibles/?hpt=T2" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Company offers to stop putting biblical references on military scopes

*Whew*
The Dummies realized that they could/would be
Putting millions of dollars on the line
Bad PR
and the troops lives on the line

Not to mention they dont just sell to the US, they sell all over the world.

boomerang wrote:You can say that again.