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PSLOwner wrote:I'm not asking for support of the president. I really don't care who anyone voted for or supports.

I'm just saying that it would be nice to have actual second amendment political discussions based upon facts, not just the same old "he is coming to get us, you count on it" nonsense.

From what I can actually tell, there are no pending bills or laws to limit our 2A rights. I don't care what someone said on the campaign trail (I doubt any politician would be able to withstand that kind of review!) to ditto-heads to sound good during a speach. What has he actually done? The only thing he has done 2A related is to sign into law ALLOWING us to carry in national parks. If he was really intent on banning hand guns (which he could never do), why sign that bill. He is a democrat and they dont have the best history on gun rights (to put it mildly!), so we have to be aware, but I think we can do it with resorting to rumors.

I agree that we need to start ignoring party and vote on principles and values. BTW, want to find out what your positions pinpoint you in? Try this: http://www.nolanchart.com/survey.php" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; You might be surprised at the result, I know I was.

joe817 wrote:

I agree that we need to start ignoring party and vote on principles and values. BTW, want to find out what your positions pinpoint you in? Try this: http://www.nolanchart.com/survey.php" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; You might be surprised at the result, I know I was.

Interesting survey TxDrifter, thanks for posting. I was sure surprised with my results! Libertarian centrist? I'd a never have thunk!

TxDrifter wrote:

PSLOwner wrote:I'm not asking for support of the president. I really don't care who anyone voted for or supports.

I'm just saying that it would be nice to have actual second amendment political discussions based upon facts, not just the same old "he is coming to get us, you count on it" nonsense.

From what I can actually tell, there are no pending bills or laws to limit our 2A rights. I don't care what someone said on the campaign trail (I doubt any politician would be able to withstand that kind of review!) to ditto-heads to sound good during a speach. What has he actually done? The only thing he has done 2A related is to sign into law ALLOWING us to carry in national parks. If he was really intent on banning hand guns (which he could never do), why sign that bill. He is a democrat and they dont have the best history on gun rights (to put it mildly!), so we have to be aware, but I think we can do it with resorting to rumors.

There is one that just passed: Healthcare... http://gunowners.org/a100909.htm The CDC (Center for Disease Control) is attempting to start studies for gun statistics again and it is presumed this may be a back door to control gun ownership. http://www.investors.com/NewsAndAnalysi ... ?id=509943 http://www.buckeyefirearms.org/node/6971 Admittedly this is currently opinion and not fact, but something to be wary of. It won't take away the right, but it might make it very expensive to practice it. One of the items that may have been one of those 200 supposed Republican amendments may have been one to restrict them from using gun statistics. I don't recall if it got in or not and didn't search for a link.

I agree that we need to start ignoring party and vote on principles and values. BTW, want to find out what your positions pinpoint you in? Try this: http://www.nolanchart.com/survey.php You might be surprised at the result, I know I was.

FYI, I didn't vote for McCain or Obama, but I did vote and fill in the Presidential choice.

03Lightningrocks wrote:

The real reason Odumbell got elected is that Odumbell was framed as the young hip rap star and McCain was framed as needing pampers. It was cool to vote Obama at the time. Most of the folks who voted for Odumbell don't have a clue about what is going on in the world and have gone back to not having a clue.

Fangs wrote:Every single time I asked someone who was celebrating that "their" candidate (Obama) had been elected why they voted for him I never got an actual reply besides hope, change, "he's going to fix everything" and that I'm a racist.