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If I didnt have insurance through my work, or need it for my wife. I would rather pay the fine than the insurance premiums. Currently my fine would be around $1500 while I currently pay $9500 a year in premiums.

I do fervently hope that our State Legislature and our Governor address this issue quickly and assert Texas sovereignty.

Kythas wrote:I believe it's possible during this administration's term in office we will see some major civil unrest.

Congress passed a massive unconstitutional law. The President signed a massive unconstitutional law.

Many of us took an Oath when we were young. I'm waiting to see what the Supreme Court does, or for the law to go into effect, whatever comes first, but I don't fault anyone who doesn't wait to fight back against known enemies.

bizarrenormality wrote:

Kythas wrote:I believe it's possible during this administration's term in office we will see some major civil unrest.

Congress passed a massive unconstitutional law. The President signed a massive unconstitutional law.

Many of us took an Oath when we were young. I'm waiting to see what the Supreme Court does, or for the law to go into effect, whatever comes first, but I don't fault anyone who doesn't wait to fight back against known enemies.

I would and I would support their speedy trial and long prison sentence. I think everyone is getting way out of hand on some of these comments.

Do you REALLY want that?

What I want is politicians and public officials who obey the Constitution.

A speedy trial and long prison sentence for Obama and Pelosi and their co-conspirators would be an acceptable fate.

bizarrenormality wrote:What I want is politicians and public officials who obey the Constitution.

Agreed. And I want honest ones too. People who had the integrity of Washington (turned down chance to be King of America) are sadly lacking.

I would love to start by somehow limiting lobbyists from corrupting the politicians.

I just really hope everyone realizes the way to change things is through the voting booth and dont resort to violence over some of this stuff. People did not go running into the night when the Patriot Act came into being, they should not go nuts over health care. I hope people turn their energy into positive change.

And I REALLY hope BOTH parties present to us what they can do for us to make things better, and not just run on half truths and fear. I think we deserve that from them.

Like I said, I'm giving the Supreme Court a change to overturn it before it goes into effect. It's a limited time offer.

PSLOwner wrote:

bizarrenormality wrote:

Kythas wrote:I believe it's possible during this administration's term in office we will see some major civil unrest.

Congress passed a massive unconstitutional law. The President signed a massive unconstitutional law.

Many of us took an Oath when we were young. I'm waiting to see what the Supreme Court does, or for the law to go into effect, whatever comes first, but I don't fault anyone who doesn't wait to fight back against known enemies.

I would and I would support their speedy trial and long prison sentence. I think everyone is getting way out of hand on some of these comments.

Do you REALLY want that?

PSL -- Just wondering, at what point would YOU draw the line? If you're happy with the current situation, just what would it take to reach your limit? Not everybody in 1776 thought the Founding Fathers were doing the correct thing, either.

PSLOwner wrote:

bizarrenormality wrote:

Kythas wrote:I believe it's possible during this administration's term in office we will see some major civil unrest.

Congress passed a massive unconstitutional law. The President signed a massive unconstitutional law.

Many of us took an Oath when we were young. I'm waiting to see what the Supreme Court does, or for the law to go into effect, whatever comes first, but I don't fault anyone who doesn't wait to fight back against known enemies.

I would and I would support their speedy trial and long prison sentence. I think everyone is getting way out of hand on some of these comments.

Do you REALLY want that?

In your opinion, were the Founding Fathers due a prison sentence then?

sjfcontrol wrote:

PSLOwner wrote:

bizarrenormality wrote:

Kythas wrote:I believe it's possible during this administration's term in office we will see some major civil unrest.

Congress passed a massive unconstitutional law. The President signed a massive unconstitutional law.

Many of us took an Oath when we were young. I'm waiting to see what the Supreme Court does, or for the law to go into effect, whatever comes first, but I don't fault anyone who doesn't wait to fight back against known enemies.

I would and I would support their speedy trial and long prison sentence. I think everyone is getting way out of hand on some of these comments.

Do you REALLY want that?

PSL -- Just wondering, at what point would YOU draw the line? If you're happy with the current situation, just what would it take to reach your limit? Not everybody in 1776 thought the Founding Fathers were doing the correct thing, either.

Healthcare does not equal 1776.

The amount of rhetoric is just in overdrive and people fanning the flames via talk radio is just WAY out of control.

Because I am not in favor of civil unrest does not mean I am thrilled with the US government. During the worst of the Bush years I never felt that way.

PSLOwner wrote:

sjfcontrol wrote:
PSL -- Just wondering, at what point would YOU draw the line? If you're happy with the current situation, just what would it take to reach your limit? Not everybody in 1776 thought the Founding Fathers were doing the correct thing, either.

Healthcare does not equal 1776.

The amount of rhetoric is just in overdrive and people fanning the flames via talk radio is just WAY out of control.

Because I am not in favor of civil unrest does not mean I am thrilled with the US government. During the worst of the Bush years I never felt that way.

Your right, health care does not equal tea (tax)...

Well, I just cannot agree with the that line of thinking as I just think it is wrong-headed. I respect your heartfelt opinion and I respectfully agree to disagree.

What would it take for me to have "enough"?

Repeal of any of the Bill Of Rights

President for Life

The Draft

Gun Grab

UN on our Streets

Clint_Thomas wrote:If I didnt have insurance through my work, or need it for my wife. I would rather pay the fine than the insurance premiums. Currently my fine would be around $1500 while I currently pay $9500 a year in premiums.

I do fervently hope that our State Legislature and our Governor address this issue quickly and assert Texas sovereignty.

Why would you pay for insurance now when you can pay the fine annually, get "insurance" if anything major pops up since you can't be refused, and just mooch emergency care off the rest of the taxpayers like the rest of the deadbeats. Obamacare is nothing short of pure genius.

marksiwel wrote:

sjfcontrol wrote:

PSLOwner wrote:Well, I just cannot agree with the that line of thinking as I just think it is wrong-headed. I respect your heartfelt opinion and I respectfully agree to disagree.

I understand, and did not disrespect your opinion either -- but you didn't answer my question... What would it take???

What would it take for me to have "enough"?

Repeal of any of the Bill Of Rights

President for Life

The Draft

Gun Grab

UN on our Streets

What about a blatant violation of the BoR?

Since the Senate bill imposes sharp limits on health-insurance companies' ability to raise fees or exclude coverage, it likely will force many of them out of business. Obamacare is unconstitutional because it violates the Bill of Rights protections against takings without just compensation and deprivation of property without due process of law.

marksiwel wrote:

sjfcontrol wrote:

PSLOwner wrote:Well, I just cannot agree with the that line of thinking as I just think it is wrong-headed. I respect your heartfelt opinion and I respectfully agree to disagree.

I understand, and did not disrespect your opinion either -- but you didn't answer my question... What would it take???

What would it take for me to have "enough"?

Repeal of any of the Bill Of Rights

President for Life

The Draft

Gun Grab

UN on our Streets

Well, the bill of rights will never be repealed -- but that doesn't mean they'll always be relevant or effective.
President for life? -- Maybe emergency powers? In other words, I guess you're good here for at least another three years.
The draft? We already had that a long time ago, so I guess you can't count that one.
UN on our streets, could happen, or again is could be effectively done without any actual troops.

My point was, problems now are much more than just health care.
Problems in 1776 were much more than just a tea tax.