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Re: AR: Elderly lawyer shot while deputies served warrant
Posted: Sat Oct 23, 2010 2:09 am
by Bullwhip
seamusTX wrote:The medical examiner in the investigation into the death of north Caddo Parish attorney John Morneau, who was shot and killed by a Miller County, Ark., sheriff's deputy two weeks ago, has made an about-face when it comes to saying where Morneau was shot.
Morneau's first death certificate said he was shot in the back. Miller County Coroner Eddie Hawkins Jr. has now issued a new one that indicates Morneau, 71, was shot in the chest.
OK.
You don't want to get crosswise with the law in that part of the country.
- Jim
Texas is a "whole 'nuther country", but the ArkLaTex is a whole 'nuther country from that.
Arkansas coroners don't do autopsies, they just issue death certificates. I smell one county's good ole boy system all tied up in this.
Re: AR: Elderly lawyer shot while deputies served warrant
Posted: Sun Oct 24, 2010 6:08 pm
by WildBill
Excaliber wrote:While militarization of the police is an ongoing concern, newly released details surrounding this incident strongly suggest the police tactics and outcome were foreseeable consequences of actions by the now deceased Mr. Granger.
Excaliber, I think you have the wrong thread. Mr. Granger was killed in Dallas. The OP was about a man, John Morneau, who was killed in Arkansas.
Re: AR: Elderly lawyer shot while deputies served warrant
Posted: Sun Oct 24, 2010 8:07 pm
by Excaliber
WildBill wrote:Excaliber wrote:While militarization of the police is an ongoing concern, newly released details surrounding this incident strongly suggest the police tactics and outcome were foreseeable consequences of actions by the now deceased Mr. Granger.
Excaliber, I think you have the wrong thread. Mr. Granger was killed in Dallas. The OP was about a man, John Morneau, who was killed in Arkansas.
Bill,
Thanks - You're right - I got them mixed up. I deleted the incorrect post.
Re: AR: Elderly lawyer shot while deputies served warrant
Posted: Mon Oct 25, 2010 11:24 pm
by tomc
Some of the best, most logical, thoughtful and insightful arguments I've ever seen on the forum. Charles and Excaliber, your posts ring true and are supported by most that I know. As Charles mentioned,
I was in a meeting a few years ago when a former Texas Speaker of the House made the comment, "what has happened to today's law enforcement officers? I used to respect them, but no more because . . ." Before he could finish his sentence a retired DPS Lieutenant said "I'll tell you why! Because training and attitude has changed, that's why. No longer do we teach our cadets (not DPS) that they serve the public or that they should befriend the public. Now they are taught that they are the pointy end of the spear and that their job is to punish, not apprehend and let others decide guilt, innocence and punishment." I believe the LT. was right.
This is the training that needs to stop and revert back to "protect and serve" training.
Doesn't anyone teach Sir Robert Peel's "9 Principles of Policing" anymore?
1. The basic mission for which the police exist is to prevent crime and disorder.
2. The ability of the police to perform their duties is dependent upon the public approval of police actions.
3. Police must secure the willing co-operation of the public in voluntary observation of the law to be able to secure and maintain the respect of the public.
4. The degree of co-operation of the public that can be secured diminishes proportionately to the necessity of the use of physical force.
5. Police seek and preserve public favour not by catering to public opinion, but by constantly demonstrating absolute impartial service to the law.
6. Police use physical force to the extent necessary to secure observance of the law or to restore order only when the exercise of persuasion, advice, and warning is found to be insufficient.
7. Police, at all times, should maintain a relationship with the public that gives reality to the historic tradition that the police are the public and the public are the police; the police being only members of the public who are paid to give full-time attention to duties which are incumbent upon every citizen in the interests of community welfare and existence.
8. Police should always direct their action strictly towards their functions, and never appear to usurp the powers of the judiciary.
9. The test of police efficiency is the absence of crime and disorder, not the visible evidence of police action in dealing with it.
Re: AR: Elderly lawyer shot while deputies served warrant
Posted: Tue Oct 26, 2010 2:39 am
by gigag04
Yes. They are TCLEOSE mandated curriculum.
Re: AR: Elderly lawyer shot while deputies served warrant
Posted: Mon Apr 18, 2011 11:12 pm
by seamusTX
Arkansas prosecutor stated that the shooting of Mr. Morneau was justified. According to the prosecutor, Mr. Morneau pointed a weapon at officers who had identified themselves.
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- Jim