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WOW, this is getting around. Saw it on the news tonight and just got a forwarded chain email about it. What's the big deal?

Got it sent to me today from a friend in the Seatle area.

Like I say... he is a real estate agent. He knows how to market... think he didn't know how to get a lot of bang out of his one minute radio ad! I'm just jealous I didn't think of it first! LOL.

Might as well put my head on the chopping block. In the age of all-encompassing political correctness, I find this guy to be a breath of fresh air. I am tired of the people of the United States, one nation under God, having to bend over...backwards, to make sure they are not possibly offending some terrorist, or other person who is intent on the destruction of the United States. There are times I want to not only scream, "No!!!", but "HEdoublehockeysticks NO!!!". Enough is enough. I am tired of seeing this country run into the ground one little piece of lost ground at a time.

(Full disclosure note. Yes, conservative. Yes, Christian. Yes, proud Pentecostal Christian.)

RJ

johnson0317 wrote:Might as well put my head on the chopping block. In the age of all-encompassing political correctness, I find this guy to be a breath of fresh air. I am tired of the people of the United States, one nation under God, having to bend over...backwards, to make sure they are not possibly offending some terrorist, or other person who is intent on the destruction of the United States. Enough is enough. I am tired of seeing this country run into the ground one little piece of lost ground at a time.

(Full disclosure note. Yes, conservative. Yes, Christian. Yes, proud Pentecostal Christian.)

RJ

As the newbie, I'll try to add my .02 without stepping on too many toes...
It seems to me that a vast number here that advocate for the 2nd amendment, have forgotten the importance of some of the others. The PC agenda is so deeply entrenched, that we forget that the word 'discriminating' was once used as a compliment ie. He has discriminating taste. Ironically, while it has historically been the 'left' that said you can't legislate morality, their greatest 'supposed accomplishment' was only done with the majority support from the 'right' in 1964. However, the sad truth is that that was the beginning of the end of personal property rights, for it is only governments that are to serve all the citizens. That erosion has continued unabated for the last 4+ decades to the point now that you have government approved mattresses, toilets and light bulbs, just to name a few. And, once the citizens relinquished their rights, and abdicated their responsibility, they empowered 'discrimination' as the PC agenda with the full force and authority of the government behind it.

A business should be able to cater to as large or small a clientele as it chooses. Their right to do so supersedes your 'feelings' about their choice, but you have the right to exercise your civic responsibility and take your business elsewhere.

wgoforth wrote:

RiverCity.45 wrote:Gotta love bigots who are unabashedly bigotted!

Don't know that it is bigotted to say/admit what the Quran says: "Kill Christians and Jews by Allah's leave." BTW, I am to lecture on Islam in Fort Worth Nov 8th. Feel free to send request on Face Book for more info.

Where does it say this?

I have a copy of the Quaran and I have not seen it. Many of my friends are Muslims and they are wonderful people. Keep in mind that we are at war with Muslim Extremists as well as Christian Extremists. Should businesses not serve Christians?

snatchel wrote:I guess I fit into the minority here, I think that this ad was pretty rascist and discriminating. Don't get me wront-the guy is entitled to his opinion, but I think that this is absolutely a step back for society.

I admit, I chuckled... the same way I chuckle at some of those uncolorful jokes, etc. Fact of the matter is, if your racist against Muslims/Arabs/Etc, your in the same boat that America was arguing against when MLK was around and black folks were the oppressed.

I fought the muslims/Arabs. Maybe it's true that SOME extreme factions are extremely anti-christian or anti-west, but that doesn't give us as Americans the RIGHT TO HATE. Think about it in this context: Some of you have mentioned that you dont like these muslims or arabs beause they are rascist (want to kill us, ect). Tell me, what sets you apart from them? Plese dont tell me that you are on Gods side, and that seperates the two of you. In a perfect christian world that may fly, but you are living in America, and here in America we have moved past stereotypes, racism, and hatred. You want to know why some of these extreme factions even exist? Education over there is a joke! Most of these extremist can't even read, they literally memorize the Koran because they can not read it. It doesn't take a genius to figure out how easy it is to control, corrupt, and brainwash a mass of uneducated, poor people.

I mentioned above that I have fought in Iraq and Afghanistan. I have seen the evil that comes from some of this. But I think it is rediculous to make a blanket statement that ALL MUSLIMS & ARABS are evil. I'm here to tell you I happily and willingly disposed of as many of the evil, hateful, agressive ones that I came across. But I can't say that without balancing it with the fact that some of the nicest, most hositable people I have met and worked with were Muslim as well as of Arab descent.

Bottom line-Stop the racism. It's long overdue that you let go of that part of our past. Embrace the fact that ALL MEN WERE CREATED EQUAL.

This post should be repeated. Basically it summarizes my position up beautifully. Thanks for your service.

longtooth wrote:No hate here. None at all. Just cant tell the difference in terrorist wannabees & real Flag wavin Patriots. Burden of proof is on them. Give evidence, not lip service & I will train them.

Do you do that with Christians as well? What kind of proof do you ask of them?

wgoforth wrote:

speedsix wrote:...just as there are many interpretations of our Bible that result in many denominations and many who either twist or ignore what the Bible says to come up with a wacko "doctrine" like you mentioned at Westboro...

...there are many factions and "denominations", if you will, in Islam...because of their own interpretations...

...our Bible, however, does not teach to lie and deceive those around us, nor does it teach that life is valueless if not in our faith, nor does it tell us to kill those we can't convert, or at the very least subjugate them and make them pay to live...their book of faith says exactly that...and I believe that just as Christians will when under pressure and going through rough times come back to their true core beliefs and begin to live them, so will the Islamics at some point in the future...and history will be repeated...to our detriment...and with that, I'm done...

(more like following a logical progression than off-track...the ad itself provoked many tangents)

Yessir, and I make that point in my lectures. When there are whack-jobs like Westboro, we all condemn it. Where is the wide scale condemnation on jihad by Islamists? Some are referring to being anti-Islamists as "racism." Islam isn't a race it is a chosen theocratic religion. It is not just that it is a religion with which we do not agree.. it is a political entity. Not only the Quran, but the Imam's in the US will tell you that Democracy and the Quaran are contradictory.

Where is the wide spread condemnation of Westboro? Or the Lords Resistance Army? OR the IRA? I don't see it.

I would suggest looking to see what many Imams and Sheiks are saying in regards to terrorism. They are more vocal about it. Have you researched it?

Toorop wrote:

longtooth wrote:No hate here. None at all. Just cant tell the difference in terrorist wannabees & real Flag wavin Patriots. Burden of proof is on them. Give evidence, not lip service & I will train them.

Do you do that with Christians as well? What kind of proof do you ask of them?

Same as the above. Come to my class w/ saggs on the ground, hat on 2/3 crooked, wearing a Hanoi jane fonda T-shirt that is a no go too..

johnson0317 wrote:Might as well put my head on the chopping block. In the age of all-encompassing political correctness, I find this guy to be a breath of fresh air. I am tired of the people of the United States, one nation under God, having to bend over...backwards, to make sure they are not possibly offending some terrorist, or other person who is intent on the destruction of the United States. There are times I want to not only scream, "No!!!", but "HEdoublehockeysticks NO!!!". Enough is enough. I am tired of seeing this country run into the ground one little piece of lost ground at a time.

(Full disclosure note. Yes, conservative. Yes, Christian. Yes, proud Pentecostal Christian.)

RJ

I am no good at debate. Worse than Perry. Therefore dont reall know how to counter some. Just know it aint right.
Sir you are certainly invited to my table.

Toorop wrote:

wgoforth wrote:

speedsix wrote:...just as there are many interpretations of our Bible that result in many denominations and many who either twist or ignore what the Bible says to come up with a wacko "doctrine" like you mentioned at Westboro...

...there are many factions and "denominations", if you will, in Islam...because of their own interpretations...

...our Bible, however, does not teach to lie and deceive those around us, nor does it teach that life is valueless if not in our faith, nor does it tell us to kill those we can't convert, or at the very least subjugate them and make them pay to live...their book of faith says exactly that...and I believe that just as Christians will when under pressure and going through rough times come back to their true core beliefs and begin to live them, so will the Islamics at some point in the future...and history will be repeated...to our detriment...and with that, I'm done...

(more like following a logical progression than off-track...the ad itself provoked many tangents)

Yessir, and I make that point in my lectures. When there are whack-jobs like Westboro, we all condemn it. Where is the wide scale condemnation on jihad by Islamists? Some are referring to being anti-Islamists as "racism." Islam isn't a race it is a chosen theocratic religion. It is not just that it is a religion with which we do not agree.. it is a political entity. Not only the Quran, but the Imam's in the US will tell you that Democracy and the Quaran are contradictory.

Where is the wide spread condemnation of Westboro? Or the Lords Resistance Army? OR the IRA? I don't see it.

I would suggest looking to see what many Imams and Sheiks are saying in regards to terrorism. They are more vocal about it. Have you researched it?

Go to some of their protests against Fallen Soldiers. Condemnation is huge, evident, Patrioticthere.
2 names Patriot Guard, Rolling Thunder.

Show me like videos, in comparable numbers, of such condemnation of islamic terrorism by these imams & sheiks.

Without shame I proclaim I am a Bible believing Christian, 1774 Patriot fed up w/ oppression & a 1791 Constitutionalist who understands inalianable rights & shall not be infringed. I love Lady Liberty w/ all its responsibility.
Too many in America today love only the Social Programs, prosperity, intertainment & do not mind the oppression because it has not yet squeezed them personally.

My final post here.
I you my friend johnson0317
LT
aka Jerry W. Young

I'm against descrimination but heavy on common sense. Prior to 9/11 if some flight instructors had shown some common sense 9/11 might have been averted or at least made more difficult for them. Not everyone of this descent are muselim and not all muselims are dangerous.
The rifle club I am joining requires a DPS background check or proof of CHL. Maybe CHL classes should have a background check before attending. Could save some people a lot of time and money if not able to pass the check.

Actually the point is crimminals will not be worried about background checks, training or licenses. Its their nature to be terrostic or predator. The CHL is for rational people to have the means and oppotunity to defend themselves legaly. With descrimination and racism rearing its ugly head higher in these times even people of other ethnic backgrounds should have the right to defend themselves.

Toorop wrote:

wgoforth wrote:

RiverCity.45 wrote:Gotta love bigots who are unabashedly bigotted!

Don't know that it is bigotted to say/admit what the Quran says: "Kill Christians and Jews by Allah's leave." BTW, I am to lecture on Islam in Fort Worth Nov 8th. Feel free to send request on Face Book for more info.

Where does it say this?

I have a copy of the Quaran and I have not seen it. Many of my friends are Muslims and they are wonderful people. Keep in mind that we are at war with Muslim Extremists as well as Christian Extremists. Should businesses not serve Christians?

Remember that if you are reading an English Quran, that they do not accept English Qurans as authoritative, only ones in Arabic.

There are 111 Jihad passages in the Quran. Don't forget that all of their teachings are not in the Quran, but many more (and the 72 virgins in paradise for being killed in Jihad) are in the Haddith. Difference in the "Muslim Extremist" vs "Christian Extremist" is that the Quran teaches the extremism while the Bible does not. Some might ask "Then why aren't ALL muslims extremists??" Reasons are (1) Same reason many Christians don't do all that the Bible teaches, cafeteria style pick-n-chose. (2) Most Muslims do not understand the Quran. They are required to memorize it...in Arabic, but most could not tell you what a passage means. In fact, if they are non arabic, they are still required to memorize it in Arabic. They may not even understand Arabic, but memorize it like ABBA memorized the songsin English enough to record it.

In reading the Quran, keep in mind it is not in Chronological order, but longer surrahs (passages) towards front and shorter to the back. Important as at first Muhammed was friendly towards Christians and Jews when at first he recruited them to fight the pagans. After he won against the pagans, then the new revelation was to fight the Jews. After subduing Jews (slaughtered them) he then turned against Christians.

The Quran gives 3 choices in dealing with non-Muslims (whom the Quran calls infidels): (1) Convert (2) Pay a special tax (Jizya)that increases until you convert (3) Be killed. If you convert FROm Islam, the Quran teaches you MUST put them to death. They believe that killing these people redeems their souls.


Many many more Quranic passages ridicule the idea of Jesus being the Son of God (He is prophet only in the Quran)

Some of the passages which teach fighting against Christians are:

5:72-73: They do blaspheme who say: "God is Christ the son of Mary." But said Christ: "O Children of Israel! worship God, my Lord and your Lord." Whoever joins other gods with God, - God will forbid him the garden, and the Fire will be his abode. There will for the wrongdoers be no one to help. They do blaspheme who say: God is one of three in a Trinity: for there is no god except One God. If they desist not from their word (of blasphemy), verily a grievous penalty will befall the blasphemers among them.
8:12-15 Remember thy Lord inspired the angels (with the message): "I am with you: give firmness to the Believers: I will instil terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them." This because they contended against God and His Apostle: If any contend against God and His Apostle, God is strict in punishment. Thus (will it be said): "Taste ye then of the (punishment): for those who resist God, is the penalty of the Fire." O ye who believe! when ye meet the Unbelievers in hostile array, never turn your backs to them.
8:37-39: In order that God may separate the impure from the pure, put the impure, one on another, heap them together, and cast them into Hell. They will be the ones to have lost. Say to the Unbelievers, if (now) they desist (from Unbelief), their past would be forgiven them; but if they persist, the punishment of those before them is already (a matter of warning for them). And fight them on until there is no more tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in God altogether and everywhere; but if they cease, verily God doth see all that they do.
9:5 But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (trick in war for deceiving and outwitting the enemy); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practice regular charity, then open the way for them: for God is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.
9:14 Fight them, and God will punish them by your hands, cover them with shame, help you (to victory) over them, heal the breasts of Believers
9:20 Those who believe, and suffer exile and fight with might and main, in God's cause, with their goods and their persons, have the highest rank in the sight of God: they are the people who will achieve (salvation).
9:29 "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the last day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and his apostle nor acknowledge the religion of truth of the people of the Book (the Jews and the Christians) until they pay the Jizya [tax on non-Muslims] with willing submission and feel themselves subdued."
9:41 Go ye forth, (whether equipped) lightly or heavily, and strive and struggle [fight in war], with your goods and your persons, in the cause of God. That is best for you, if ye (but) knew.
9:73 O Prophet! strive hard [wage war] against the unbelievers and the Hypocrites, and be firm against them. Their abode is Hell, - an evil refuge indeed.
9:123: O ye who believe! fight the unbelievers who gird you about, and let them find firmness in you: and know that God is with those who fear Him.
22:38-39 Verily God will defend (from ill) those who believe: verily, God loveth not any that is a traitor to faith, or shows ingratitude. To those against whom war is made, permission is given (to fight) because they are wronged-and verily, God is Most powerful for their aid
25:52 So obey not the unbelievers and fight strenuously with them in many a strenuous fight.
47:4 Therefore, when ye meet the Unbelievers (in fight), smite at their necks; At length, when ye have thoroughly subdued them, bind a bond firmly (on them): thereafter (is the time for) either generosity or ransom: Until the war lays down its burdens. Thus (are ye commanded): but if it had been God's Will, He could certainly have exacted retribution from them (Himself); but (He lets you fight) in order to test you, some with others. But those who are slain in the Way of God, - He will never let their deeds be lost.
48:29: "Those who follow Muhammad are merciless for the unbelievers but kind to each other."

I will be happy to discuss this further with anyone off list, as I know religious discussions are not permitted for long on the forum. I would be happy for anyone to attend my lecture on this Nov 8th at the Westside church of Christ in Fort Worth.