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Re: TX Dad defends daughter (4)
Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2012 5:17 pm
by Bob in Big D
knotquiteawake wrote:Now if you read this article:
http://www.myfoxdfw.com/story/18765043/ ... d-molester" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
It says:
"In the course of trying to get her away from him, and protect her, he struck the subject several times in the head and the subject died,"
That sounds like Lawyer speak...... Must have lawyered up. Good for him
Re: TX Dad defends daughter (4)
Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2012 5:43 pm
by Dave2
canvasbck wrote:OK, let me get this straight. According to what has been stated above:
From a strictly legal perspective if the father had been armed and shot the guy in the head while he was committing the assault. The father would have been in good shape legaly even though he endangered his daughter from a passthrough, ect.
If the father kicked the guy in the ribs, knocking him free of the daughter before placing a round into his cranium, he has committed murder.
Only if the BG didn't start fighting with the father. I mean, for me, I don't care what nefarious hypothetical deed I was caught doing... If someone kicks me, they're gonna get
something in return even if it is just to stun them or knock 'em back while I escape. They, of course would have no way of knowing that I'd be trying to run away, and IMHO be perfectly justified in using deadly force against me to defend themselves.
Re: TX Dad defends daughter (4)
Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2012 6:23 pm
by Ozzy_Roughknuckles
"The sound of the little girl’s screams were later heard coming from the barn and instinctually, the father rushed to his daughter’s aide."
Who writes for this web site? Third graders?
Re: TX Dad defends daughter (4)
Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2012 9:21 pm
by Keith B
Bob in Big D wrote:knotquiteawake wrote:Now if you read this article:
http://www.myfoxdfw.com/story/18765043/ ... d-molester" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
It says:
"In the course of trying to get her away from him, and protect her, he struck the subject several times in the head and the subject died,"
That sounds like Lawyer speak...... Must have lawyered up. Good for him
That was from the sheriff
Re: TX Dad defends daughter (4)
Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2012 9:25 pm
by sjfcontrol
Keith B wrote:Bob in Big D wrote:knotquiteawake wrote:Now if you read this article:
http://www.myfoxdfw.com/story/18765043/ ... d-molester" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
It says:
"In the course of trying to get her away from him, and protect her, he struck the subject several times in the head and the subject died,"
That sounds like Lawyer speak...... Must have lawyered up. Good for him
That was from the sheriff
Smart fella!

Re: TX Dad defends daughter (4)
Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2012 4:43 pm
by hi-power
Grand Jury declines to return an indictment:
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/06/19/te ... -homicide/
Odd that the URL title says something different though. Fox must have been preparing for something else.
Authorities say a Texas father who beat to death a man who tried molesting his 4-year-old daughter will not be charged.
Officials said the grand jury met Tuesday and declined to return an indictment against the father in the death of 47-year-old Jesus Mora Flores.
Edit: Aha! This quote from the story explains the URL -
Earlier, the Lavaca County Sheriff's Office said in a statement that the death would be treated as a homicide investigation, and the case was sent to the grand jury.
Re: TX Dad defends daughter (4)
Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2012 6:04 pm
by barstoolguru
you gotta love texas
Justice served with a side of realism
Re: TX Dad defends daughter (4)
Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2012 6:10 pm
by E.Marquez
sjfcontrol wrote:
He's suggesting that after the assault has been stopped, it is no longer justification for the use of deadly force.
Assault of the daughter perhaps, but who is to say the father did not feel threatened himself now, and was defending himself against the assault.. Only two folks know that answer,, One is dead, the other will tell his side to some folks who will decide.
Re: TX Dad defends daughter (4)
Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2012 6:34 pm
by sjfcontrol
bronco78 wrote:sjfcontrol wrote:
He's suggesting that after the assault has been stopped, it is no longer justification for the use of deadly force.
Assault of the daughter perhaps, but who is to say the father did not feel threatened himself now, and was defending himself against the assault.. Only two folks know that answer,, One is dead, the other will tell his side to some folks who will decide.
An assault on the father, unless it entailed deadly force by the attacker, would not justify deadly force by the father in response.
Re: TX Dad defends daughter (4)
Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2012 6:37 pm
by tacticool
bronco78 wrote:sjfcontrol wrote:
He's suggesting that after the assault has been stopped, it is no longer justification for the use of deadly force.
Assault of the daughter perhaps, but who is to say the father did not feel threatened himself now, and was defending himself against the assault.. Only two folks know that answer,, One is dead, the other will tell his side to some folks who will decide.
He was already no billed but it's still smart to decline requests for interviews.
Re: TX Dad defends daughter (4)
Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2012 6:57 pm
by mamabearCali
Glad to hear it....gives me hope.
Re: TX Dad defends daughter (4)
Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2012 6:58 pm
by WildBill
tacticool wrote:bronco78 wrote:sjfcontrol wrote:
He's suggesting that after the assault has been stopped, it is no longer justification for the use of deadly force.
Assault of the daughter perhaps, but who is to say the father did not feel threatened himself now, and was defending himself against the assault.. Only two folks know that answer,, One is dead, the other will tell his side to some folks who will decide.
He was already no billed but it's still smart to decline requests for interviews.

IMO, interviews could do him harm and no good would come from them.
Re: TX Dad defends daughter (4)
Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2012 9:40 pm
by OldCurlyWolf
knotquiteawake wrote:I think its possible he will get charged if the following is true:
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/he-got- ... -to-death/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
After pulling the attacker off of her, the father repeatedly struck the man in the head.
If he pulled the man off his daughter then at that point the assault has been stopped. To then beat the man in the head to death looks more like vengeful homicide. Once the crime is no longer in progress I think he would not be covered by the law anymore. If he pulled the man off his daughter how then is deadly force necessary? The crime has been stopped.
What do you guys think? If I were the prosecutor that is the direction I would go with it.
You might just have a lot of trouble keeping your job, among other things, some much harder to replace.

Re: TX Dad defends daughter (4)
Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2012 1:11 am
by Skiprr
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/201 ... urder-rap/
Even one of the most liberal MSM newspapers actually publishes something that's true.
Associated Press wrote:SHINER, Texas — A young Texas father who beat to death with his fists a man molesting his 5-year-old daughter will not be charged, authorities said Tuesday as they released a dramatic 911 tape of the dad frantically pleading for help before the hired ranch helper died.
A Lavaca County grand jury Tuesday declined to indict the 23-year-old father in the death of Jesus Mora Flores, 47. Prosecutors said the grand jury reached the same conclusion as police after reviewing the evidence: The father was authorized to use deadly force to protect his daughter.
"The Lord is merciful and gracious, slow to anger, and abounding in mercy." (Psalm 103:8)
Re: TX Dad defends daughter (4)
Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2012 2:34 am
by Bullwhip
Washington Times liberal MSM? I think you meant Post, Times is super conservative, owned by the people who own Kahr.