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G26ster wrote:I think Ryan is a fine man, but I fear that his selection may cost Florida for Romney, and without Florida there is no win regardless of how much it fires up the Conservative base. You can't argue logic, or convince the army of seniors there that Ryan won't change their existing Medicare and SS, regardless of how many times he says no one under 55 will be affected, or how many times he says you can stay on the current system. They tune that part out. It will be interesting to see the Florida polls after his naming. If they dip to a significant degree, it will spell big trouble for Romney. Very few states decide elections, and Florida is a huge one.
All the more time for Romney/Ryan to spend a lot of time in Florida, explaining themselves in person.

Smart Democrats Should Be Worried
By John Fund
August 11, 2012 11:21 A.M.
http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/31 ... -john-fund
Liberal pundits are already fanning out in force to attack and discredit Paul Ryan. Michael Tomasky, who recently wrote a Newsweek cover story calling Mitt Romney a “wimp,” has now decided that Romney’s bold move is “a terrible choice” because Ryan has proven himself to be an extremist on budget issues.

No doubt there are many Democrats rubbing their hands in glee in contemplation of reviving some version of the ad that featured an actor playing Paul Ryan pushing a grandmother in a wheelchair off a cliff. But the smarter ones are worried.

First, if Ryan is an extremist and his proposals are so unpopular, how has he won election seven times in a Democratic district? His lowest share of the vote was 57 percent — in his first race. He routinely wins over two-thirds of the vote. When Obama swept the nation in 2008, he carried Ryan’s district by four points. But at the same time, Ryan won reelection with 65 percent of the vote, meaning that a fifth of Obama voters also voted for him.
I like our chances. I like them a LOT. :drool:
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Voting for Obama-Biden after the past 4 years results speaks volumes to ones judgement, integrity, work ethic, common sense, and interest in their children's future.

I wish they would wear t-shirts so we could identify them more easily.
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Here is a video in which Paul Ryan takes Obamacare apart and destroys all the arguments WITH NUMBERS. The money quote? "Hiding spending doesn't reduce spending."

[youtube]http://youtube.com/watch?v=zPxMZ1WdINs[/youtube]

Compared to this, democrats got nuthin' except more of the same tired class warfare. Americans aren't buying it. Romney's flagship promise has been to overturn Obamacare. With Ryan along, the only people who won't be able to understand the arguments will be those who are willfully unwise.
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http://boston.cbslocal.com/2012/08/11/r ... ervatives/
Ryan Seen As Romney’s Bridge To Conservatives
August 11, 2012 8:01 AM
As the chairman of the House Budget Committee, Ryan gives Romney a link to Capitol Hill leadership and underscores Romney’s effort to make the election a referendum on the nation’s economic course. Romney also could see his standing improve in Wisconsin, a state President Barack Obama won handily four years ago but that could be much tighter this November.

Even so, Ryan has been a double-edged sword for Romney. The congressman’s endorsement of Romney came at a critical stage of the GOP primaries, giving him a boost in the Wisconsin race that effectively buried Romney’s final threat. But it also meant Romney was embracing the Ryan-sponsored budget proposal that Democrats fiercely target as painful to the poor and elderly.

Still, the square-jawed congressman is viewed as a bridge between the buttoned-up GOP establishment and the riled-up tea party movement.
More proof of the wisdom of this choice for VP.
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tacticool wrote:I said it almost a year ago and I haven't seen anything to make me change my mind.

If the Republican Party doesn't nominate a conservative candidate, they're helping to ensure another Obama victory.
I believe that what leads you to say that is that YOUR definition of what constitutes a conservative is a lot different than a lot of other folk's definition of what constitutes a conservative.
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The Annoyed Man wrote:Here is a video in which Paul Ryan takes Obamacare apart and destroys all the arguments WITH NUMBERS. The money quote? "Hiding spending doesn't reduce spending."

[youtube]http://youtube.com/watch?v=zPxMZ1WdINs[/youtube]

Compared to this, democrats got nuthin' except more of the same tired class warfare. Americans aren't buying it. Romney's flagship promise has been to overturn Obamacare. With Ryan along, the only people who won't be able to understand the arguments will be those who are willfully unwise.
Showed that video to my wife who isn't a huge Romney fan (though to be fair, neither am I. And we both have nothing but disdain and disappointment regarding our current Campaigner in Chief.) She didn't know anything about Ryan before seeing this video, but after 6 minutes she was sold on the guy 100%.

I think Romney made a great choice, and I can't wait to see him tear up that idiot Biden in a debate. Its just too bad he won't get to debate Obama.
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74novaman wrote:
The Annoyed Man wrote:Here is a video in which Paul Ryan takes Obamacare apart and destroys all the arguments WITH NUMBERS. The money quote? "Hiding spending doesn't reduce spending."

[youtube]http://youtube.com/watch?v=zPxMZ1WdINs[/youtube]

Compared to this, democrats got nuthin' except more of the same tired class warfare. Americans aren't buying it. Romney's flagship promise has been to overturn Obamacare. With Ryan along, the only people who won't be able to understand the arguments will be those who are willfully unwise.
Showed that video to my wife who isn't a huge Romney fan (though to be fair, neither am I. And we both have nothing but disdain and disappointment regarding our current Campaigner in Chief.) She didn't know anything about Ryan before seeing this video, but after 6 minutes she was sold on the guy 100%.

I think Romney made a great choice, and I can't wait to see him tear up that idiot Biden in a debate. Its just too bad he won't get to debate Obama.
74novaman, I think that most conservative mainstream republicans would agree that Romney is not conservative enough to suit them, but the bottom line is that he IS more conservative than the alternative, and that's the hand we've been dealt. We've got to play it. But picking Ryan was just pure genius. He's not only good for the Romney campaign, but as of right now, he is on track to be the nominee for president in either 2016 or 2020. Can you imagine a Ryan/Rand Paul ticket? Or a Ryan/Rubio ticket? Ryan is a very sharp cookie, and Romney and his advisers displayed some real political smarts today.
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The Annoyed Man wrote: 74novaman, I think that most conservative mainstream republicans would agree that Romney is not conservative enough to suit them, but the bottom line is that he IS more conservative than the alternative, and that's the hand we've been dealt. We've got to play it. But picking Ryan was just pure genius. He's not only good for the Romney campaign, but as of right now, he is on track to be the nominee for president in either 2016 or 2020. Can you imagine a Ryan/Rand Paul ticket? Or a Ryan/Rubio ticket? Ryan is a very sharp cookie, and Romney and his advisers displayed some real political smarts today.
Agreed. My one issue with a potential President Ryan candidacy in 2020 is his family history. Both his father and grandfather died of heart attacks in their 50s. While he seems to be a big fitness guy and takes good care of himself, his family history is not a positive one.

But one hurdle at a time is enough to worry about, so for now, Romney/Ryan 2012 works for me.
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Anecdotally speaking, a lot of lefties I know are really spinning up the class warfare with the naming of Ryan as VP candidate.

The class warfare drums gets louder and louder. As a barometer of our nation's health, I think that concerns me greatly.

That said, I believe Ryan is an excellent choice.
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Informal unscientific poll on the front page of Drudge today:
WAS PAUL RYAN A GOOD PICK?
YES 82.66% (432,296 votes)


NO 10.02% (52,403 votes)


NOT SURE 7.32% (38,258 votes)



Total Votes: 522,957
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A good choice. After the last 3.5 years this country is in need of some "R and R".
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G26ster wrote:I think Ryan is a fine man, but I fear that his selection may cost Florida for Romney, and without Florida there is no win regardless of how much it fires up the Conservative base. You can't argue logic, or convince the army of seniors there that Ryan won't change their existing Medicare and SS, regardless of how many times he says no one under 55 will be affected, or how many times he says you can stay on the current system. They tune that part out. It will be interesting to see the Florida polls after his naming. If they dip to a significant degree, it will spell big trouble for Romney. Very few states decide elections, and Florida is a huge one.
I look forward to watching Paul Ryan win over Florida voters with the facts. :rules:

Had a discussion last night with a 75 yo ex-Florida (now Austin) resident. He was all bluster about pushing Grandma over the cliff. After 15 minutes of facts from me (and a lot of very hot stares from my wife, since this discussion was happening at a dinner party :oops: ) we reached agreement that doing nothing about entitlements is bad for the country, but he was worried about the impact that doing "something" would have on him. I certainly gave him that, it's a legit concern. But even the elderly WILL be won over that doing nothing is a bigger disaster than constructive change. Obama is being revealed for the empty-promise that he is. Paul Ryan is the man to finish that job.

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RoyGBiv wrote:
G26ster wrote:I think Ryan is a fine man, but I fear that his selection may cost Florida for Romney, and without Florida there is no win regardless of how much it fires up the Conservative base. You can't argue logic, or convince the army of seniors there that Ryan won't change their existing Medicare and SS, regardless of how many times he says no one under 55 will be affected, or how many times he says you can stay on the current system. They tune that part out. It will be interesting to see the Florida polls after his naming. If they dip to a significant degree, it will spell big trouble for Romney. Very few states decide elections, and Florida is a huge one.
I look forward to watching Paul Ryan win over Florida voters with the facts. :rules:

Had a discussion last night with a 75 yo ex-Florida (now Austin) resident. He was all bluster about pushing Grandma over the cliff. After 15 minutes of facts from me (and a lot of very hot stares from my wife, since this discussion was happening at a dinner party :oops: ) we reached agreement that doing nothing about entitlements is bad for the country, but he was worried about the impact that doing "something" would have on him. I certainly gave him that, it's a legit concern. But even the elderly WILL be won over that doing nothing is a bigger disaster than constructive change. Obama is being revealed for the empty-promise that he is. Paul Ryan is the man to finish that job.

:patriot:
I certainly hope that you are correct, that's why I said "may cost" rather than "will cost." I must add that I grew up with these folks. Most are Northern liberals already, and when they get to Florida they assimilate into communities of like minded people. Every single one of my relatives moved to Florida in retirement. Although most are gone now, I know how they think and how their friends think. I have had the same conversation with my sister over dinner, and she seemed to come around a bit. But, the next day at lunch with her army of friends, when the subject comes up, she's right back to "leave my medicare and SS alone!" My fear is that the "group think" will overwhelm any message that Romney and Ryan can put out face to face in Florida when these folks are alone in the voting booth. I'm just stating what I know and have lived through, and like you, I hope that minds can be changed. But the more time Romney and Ryan have to spend in Florida trying to convince these folks, that's less time to devote to other critical states. Nobody will be rooting harder for Ryan to change minds than me, but I'm just stating what I know to be the extremely tough road ahead, based on life long personal experience.
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The entitlements are going to decrease, one way or another. They can be scaled back if we start now, or they can end abruptly if we keep following the Greek debt model.
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gringo pistolero wrote:The entitlements are going to decrease, one way or another. They can be scaled back if we start now, or they can end abruptly if we keep following the Greek debt model.
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