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VMI77 wrote:

03Lightningrocks wrote:And most important of all, who amongst us has the right to risk others lives because we are scared of danger to ourselves. Second... And get ready because I am about to say it the way it is... Only a darned fool would open fire on a person who can return fire with their loved ones sitting or standing right beside them. It is one thing to have a personal death wish. It is something else to put it on others.

Winners in battle know that living to fight another day far exceeds the honor of dying on the spot. What this means for a situation like this is, wait to see if opening fire is the only way. Why... Because you ARE going to be at an extreme disadvantage. Why not wait it out a few minutes to see if dying that day is necessary?

Another reason to hold back is that you have no way of knowing if an accomplice was pre-positioned inside the restaurant to take out any resistance from behind.

Jumping Frog wrote:I am not willing to passively entrust my future in the hands of people who have already demonstrated sociopathic behavior by committing armed robbery. I may pick and choose my own time, tactics, methods, or strategy, but I will actively choosing my own course of events instead of quivering on the floor hoping for mercy.

EEllis wrote:Excuse me if I'm ascribing an attitude that you didn't mean but who do you think is saying you should trust the BG's? I think at best people are saying that the time and situation makes it a very poor one to pull your gun and start a gunfight with 6 gunmen.

VMI77 wrote:

chasfm11 wrote:On balance, there was the church shooting in France where a congregation member with a small caliber pistol took on a group of BGs with a lot heavier weapons. Sometimes, it is about how much courage you have and not about how much you are outnumbered. In a crowded fast food place, however, I cannot imagine it ending well if shooting starts.

I thought that was in Zimbabwe or South Africa....and he had a revolver because one revolver was the only handgun allowed by law?

Abraham wrote:Perhaps, one could employ the "Blazing Saddles" type threat of holding your pistol up to your own head and command the robbers to leave or you'll kill yourself.

Hey, it worked in the movie.

Jumping Frog wrote:...."abraham"...

What you or anyone else has to say about your own choices is certainly your privilege.

03Lightningrocks wrote: Unless you complain about it. Then the mods delete it.

Jumping Frog wrote:

03Lightningrocks wrote: Unless you complain about it. Then the mods delete it.

Seems to me the mods delete posts that violate forum rules. That is also their right and prerogative.

jmra wrote:

VMI77 wrote:

chasfm11 wrote:On balance, there was the church shooting in France where a congregation member with a small caliber pistol took on a group of BGs with a lot heavier weapons. Sometimes, it is about how much courage you have and not about how much you are outnumbered. In a crowded fast food place, however, I cannot imagine it ending well if shooting starts.

I thought that was in Zimbabwe or South Africa....and he had a revolver because one revolver was the only handgun allowed by law?

France would be more believable. They've been dropping heavy weapons at the first sign of trouble for over 60 years.

“Grenades were exploding in flashes of light. Pews shattered under the blasts, sending splinters flying through the air,” he recalled. “An automatic assault rifle was being fired and was fast ripping the pews – and whoever, whatever was in its trajectory – to pieces. We were being attacked!

“Instinctively, I knelt down behind the bench in front of me and pulled out my .38 special snub-nosed revolver, which I always carried with me,” he writes in “Shooting Back.” “I would have felt undressed without it. Many people could not understand why I would carry a firearm into a church service, but I argued that this was a particularly dangerous time in South Africa.”

EEllis wrote:And if even one of the 6 armed assailants started firing into or even at the restaurant? Mind you if I saw them coming and could fire as they were coming in I most likely would take that shot but everything has risk and pretending otherwise is believing in a fantasy. I'll risk it and try and defend myself and others if I can but I also realize that in doing so it is possible that someone innocent in the store ends up shot where they might not if I don't take action. Of course I might also save someone, but there are no guarantees

drjoker wrote:I don't know about you, but pretending that a thug will keep his promise and not kill all the witnesses (YOU) after the robbery is believing in a fantasy. The thug might shoot you and he might not, but I'd rather trust my shooting ability than trust the ability of some low life to keep his promise. Tell me, if this human varmint walks into the Micey D's and asks to borrow $100 from you to buy meth, would you do it? Would you trust him to pay you back? Then why the heck would you trust him not to shoot you if you did not resist the robbery attempt by feeding 'em some lead?
......"abraham"....

VMI77 wrote:

jmra wrote:

VMI77 wrote:

chasfm11 wrote:On balance, there was the church shooting in France where a congregation member with a small caliber pistol took on a group of BGs with a lot heavier weapons. Sometimes, it is about how much courage you have and not about how much you are outnumbered. In a crowded fast food place, however, I cannot imagine it ending well if shooting starts.

I thought that was in Zimbabwe or South Africa....and he had a revolver because one revolver was the only handgun allowed by law?

France would be more believable. They've been dropping heavy weapons at the first sign of trouble for over 60 years.

http://www.wnd.com/2008/07/70372/

This is the only such incident I'm aware of:

“Grenades were exploding in flashes of light. Pews shattered under the blasts, sending splinters flying through the air,” he recalled. “An automatic assault rifle was being fired and was fast ripping the pews – and whoever, whatever was in its trajectory – to pieces. We were being attacked!

“Instinctively, I knelt down behind the bench in front of me and pulled out my .38 special snub-nosed revolver, which I always carried with me,” he writes in “Shooting Back.” “I would have felt undressed without it. Many people could not understand why I would carry a firearm into a church service, but I argued that this was a particularly dangerous time in South Africa.”

drjoker wrote:I don't know about you, but pretending that a thug will keep his promise and not kill all the witnesses (YOU) after the robbery is believing in a fantasy. The thug might shoot you and he might not, but I'd rather trust my shooting ability than trust the ability of some low life to keep his promise. Tell me, if this human varmint walks into the Micey D's and asks to borrow $100 from you to buy meth, would you do it? Would you trust him to pay you back? Then why the heck would you trust him not to shoot you if you did not resist the robbery attempt by feeding 'em some lead?

EEllis wrote:And if even one of the 6 armed assailants started firing into or even at the restaurant? Mind you if I saw them coming and could fire as they were coming in I most likely would take that shot but everything has risk and pretending otherwise is believing in a fantasy. I'll risk it and try and defend myself and others if I can but I also realize that in doing so it is possible that someone innocent in the store ends up shot where they might not if I don't take action. Of course I might also save someone, but there are no guarantees

jmra wrote:Of course you know I wasn't being serious.