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I will say that this thread has made me reconsider my stance on retention holsters. Most that I have seen with thumb snaps usually go into the same groove in the grip where my hand does.

I have once had my gun fall out of my non-retention holster, but that was me trying an inversion table. I was almost upside down when I felt it slip out. It did stay inside my shirt & there was only one person around who got it out for me so it wouldn't fall on the ground.

AdioSS wrote:I will say that this thread has made me reconsider my stance on retention holsters. Most that I have seen with thumb snaps usually go into the same groove in the grip where my hand does.

I have once had my gun fall out of my non-retention holster, but that was me trying an inversion table. I was almost upside down when I felt it slip out. It did stay inside my shirt & there was only one person around who got it out for me so it wouldn't fall on the ground.

Could you remind me what an Inversion table is again? I seem to have forgotten... Is that one of those workout things?

You hang upside down by your ankles.

Jumping Frog wrote:You hang upside down by your ankles.

That would by why I am not familiar with it, I'll pass on that stuff.

I carry 1911's, cocked and locked.
All of the holsters I use have a thumb break.
Here's and example. http://www.cabelas.com/product/Galco-Le ... 744659.uts
The thumb break aids retention and reduces to virtually nil the chance of a negligent discharge. Mine are pretty ancient pieces of well maintained leather(newest holster is old enough to vote).
I carry owb at 3:00 w/double mag carrier at 9:00, and have done so concealed and open for decades. The only thing that changes in my gear, open to concealed, is use of a cover garment.
Muscle memory, after uncounted thousands of draw strokes, brings my thumb to the break and then down to the grip without conscious effort. I know that I can quickly and surely draw my pistol if the need arises.
When I have open carried, 95% of the folks wandering around in public never even see the pistol. They don't expect a well dressed, clean cut, old fat guy to have one and it just never registers. Of the 5% who do see the pistol, most assumed that I was a LEO or the like(I've heard comments on my age, physical condition, etc. for a police officer) The remaining just avoid me.
I have never been confronted by anyone, LEO, Security or Concerned Citizen about carrying the pistol. There have been two (2) curious guys over the years who have asked about my CBOB.

Dadtodabone wrote:I carry 1911's, cocked and locked.
All of the holsters I use have a thumb break.
Here's and example. http://www.cabelas.com/product/Galco-Le ... 744659.uts
The thumb break aids retention and reduces to virtually nil the chance of a negligent discharge. Mine are pretty ancient pieces of well maintained leather(newest holster is old enough to vote).
I carry owb at 3:00 w/double mag carrier at 9:00, and have done so concealed and open for decades. The only thing that changes in my gear, open to concealed, is use of a cover garment.
Muscle memory, after uncounted thousands of draw strokes, brings my thumb to the break and then down to the grip without conscious effort. I know that I can quickly and surely draw my pistol if the need arises.
When I have open carried, 95% of the folks wandering around in public never even see the pistol. They don't expect a well dressed, clean cut, old fat guy to have one and it just never registers. Of the 5% who do see the pistol, most assumed that I was a LEO or the like(I've heard comments on my age, physical condition, etc. for a police officer) The remaining just avoid me.
I have never been confronted by anyone, LEO, Security or Concerned Citizen about carrying the pistol. There have been two (2) curious guys over the years who have asked about my CBOB.

Do you open carry into work?

Cedar Park Dad wrote:

Dadtodabone wrote:I carry 1911's, cocked and locked.
All of the holsters I use have a thumb break.
Here's and example. http://www.cabelas.com/product/Galco-Le ... 744659.uts
The thumb break aids retention and reduces to virtually nil the chance of a negligent discharge. Mine are pretty ancient pieces of well maintained leather(newest holster is old enough to vote).
I carry owb at 3:00 w/double mag carrier at 9:00, and have done so concealed and open for decades. The only thing that changes in my gear, open to concealed, is use of a cover garment.
Muscle memory, after uncounted thousands of draw strokes, brings my thumb to the break and then down to the grip without conscious effort. I know that I can quickly and surely draw my pistol if the need arises.
When I have open carried, 95% of the folks wandering around in public never even see the pistol. They don't expect a well dressed, clean cut, old fat guy to have one and it just never registers. Of the 5% who do see the pistol, most assumed that I was a LEO or the like(I've heard comments on my age, physical condition, etc. for a police officer) The remaining just avoid me.
I have never been confronted by anyone, LEO, Security or Concerned Citizen about carrying the pistol. There have been two (2) curious guys over the years who have asked about my CBOB.

Do you open carry into work?

When I resided in Arizona, Yes. Carried into my bank 4-5 times a week making deposits, transacting other business. Carried in the field, on horseback, fishing etc. Picked up milk on the way home, KFC, going to the picture show. It wasn't a big deal. The only place that asked me to disarm was the caterer/baker that my eldest daughter chose for her nuptial celebration....needless to say, my $ went out the door with me.
My father open carried, My mother(Main Line transplant)open carried when ever she rode or was out on the property alone. My sibs(5)carried. Our hands carried. Our neighbors carried.
My Best Man, he was concerned about snakes, left his BBQ pistol in his truck under duress, lol, when my soon to be sister-in-law pitched a fit. My wife and I exchanged vows at the Fountain Hills Fountain
[youtube]http://youtube.com/watch?v=Rgn4xXNxIjk[/youtube]
Timed to be pronounced man and wife at the stroke of 8:00 p.m. The Fountain erupted on the hour for 10 minutes.
And No, it wasn't my idea and I don't think anyone thought about the imagery. The Fountain just looked great all lit up.

Dadtodabone wrote:

Cedar Park Dad wrote:

Dadtodabone wrote:I carry 1911's, cocked and locked.
All of the holsters I use have a thumb break.
Here's and example. http://www.cabelas.com/product/Galco-Le ... 744659.uts
The thumb break aids retention and reduces to virtually nil the chance of a negligent discharge. Mine are pretty ancient pieces of well maintained leather(newest holster is old enough to vote).
I carry owb at 3:00 w/double mag carrier at 9:00, and have done so concealed and open for decades. The only thing that changes in my gear, open to concealed, is use of a cover garment.
Muscle memory, after uncounted thousands of draw strokes, brings my thumb to the break and then down to the grip without conscious effort. I know that I can quickly and surely draw my pistol if the need arises.
When I have open carried, 95% of the folks wandering around in public never even see the pistol. They don't expect a well dressed, clean cut, old fat guy to have one and it just never registers. Of the 5% who do see the pistol, most assumed that I was a LEO or the like(I've heard comments on my age, physical condition, etc. for a police officer) The remaining just avoid me.
I have never been confronted by anyone, LEO, Security or Concerned Citizen about carrying the pistol. There have been two (2) curious guys over the years who have asked about my CBOB.

Do you open carry into work?

When I resided in Arizona, Yes. Carried into my bank 4-5 times a week making deposits, transacting other business. Carried in the field, on horseback, fishing etc. Picked up milk on the way home, KFC, going to the picture show. It wasn't a big deal. The only place that asked me to disarm was the caterer/baker that my eldest daughter chose for her nuptial celebration....needless to say, my $ went out the door with me.
My father open carried, My mother(Main Line transplant)open carried when ever she rode or was out on the property alone. My sibs(5)carried. Our hands carried. Our neighbors carried.
My Best Man, he was concerned about snakes, left his BBQ pistol in his truck under duress, lol, when my soon to be sister-in-law pitched a fit. My wife and I exchanged vows at the Fountain Hills Fountain
[youtube]http://youtube.com/watch?v=Rgn4xXNxIjk[/youtube]
Timed to be pronounced man and wife at the stroke of 8:00 p.m. The Fountain erupted on the hour for 10 minutes.
And No, it wasn't my idea and I don't think anyone thought about the imagery. The Fountain just looked great all lit up.

Let me rephrase. Did you OC while at work?
Also that Fountain sounds epic cool.

Cedar Park Dad wrote:Do you open carry into work?

Dadtodabone wrote: When I resided in Arizona, Yes.

Cedar Park Dad wrote: Let me rephrase. Did you OC while at work?
Also that Fountain sounds epic cool.

Yes, the cows didn't care one way or the other.

EEllis wrote:I have just not seen any evidence to back up the claim that, as a group, oc or cc need better retention due to BG's taking guns out of holsters.

I think the point is that OCers need "better retention" so that BGs can't start taking their guns, not to put an end to something that's already become common... it's a proactive measure, rather than reactive.

At least that's my take on it.

Dave2 wrote:

EEllis wrote:I have just not seen any evidence to back up the claim that, as a group, oc or cc need better retention due to BG's taking guns out of holsters.

I think the point is that OCers need "better retention" so that BGs can't start taking their guns, not to put an end to something that's already become common... it's a proactive measure, rather than reactive.

At least that's my take on it.

Well I think a holster should, at a min, hold your gun secure through any possible activity a person might make. I also understand and and support anyone who feels better about having some form of retention in holsters to prevent someone else from grabbing their handgun when it's holstered. My issue is people who advocate such a thing based on a need. I have looked and cannot find enough incidents to support a belief that retention holster would have any statistical effect on guns being "Taken" from OCers. Right now I would be more concerned with being able to draw and shoot quickly when needed than some theoretical concern about being targeted by a gun grabber.

EEllis wrote:

Dave2 wrote:

EEllis wrote:I have just not seen any evidence to back up the claim that, as a group, oc or cc need better retention due to BG's taking guns out of holsters.

I think the point is that OCers need "better retention" so that BGs can't start taking their guns, not to put an end to something that's already become common... it's a proactive measure, rather than reactive.

At least that's my take on it.

Well I think a holster should, at a min, hold your gun secure through any possible activity a person might make. I also understand and and support anyone who feels better about having some form of retention in holsters to prevent someone else from grabbing their handgun when it's holstered. My issue is people who advocate such a thing based on a need. I have looked and cannot find enough incidents to support a belief that retention holster would have any statistical effect on guns being "Taken" from OCers. Right now I would be more concerned with being able to draw and shoot quickly when needed than some theoretical concern about being targeted by a gun grabber.

My take on it is LIBERTY. We don't need the gosh-darn gooberment legislating holsters.

Back when we were a free country, there was a concept of being accountable for making decisions and choices in one's life and then bearing the consequences of those choices.

We can debate back and forth on whether a retention holster is a better personal decision for managing life risk. That is fine, I love debating personal opinions. But we do not need personal opinions codified into statute.

Jumping Frog wrote:

EEllis wrote:

Dave2 wrote:

EEllis wrote:I have just not seen any evidence to back up the claim that, as a group, oc or cc need better retention due to BG's taking guns out of holsters.

I think the point is that OCers need "better retention" so that BGs can't start taking their guns, not to put an end to something that's already become common... it's a proactive measure, rather than reactive.

At least that's my take on it.

Well I think a holster should, at a min, hold your gun secure through any possible activity a person might make. I also understand and and support anyone who feels better about having some form of retention in holsters to prevent someone else from grabbing their handgun when it's holstered. My issue is people who advocate such a thing based on a need. I have looked and cannot find enough incidents to support a belief that retention holster would have any statistical effect on guns being "Taken" from OCers. Right now I would be more concerned with being able to draw and shoot quickly when needed than some theoretical concern about being targeted by a gun grabber.

My take on it is LIBERTY. We don't need the gosh-darn gooberment legislating holsters.

Back when we were a free country, there was a concept of being accountable for making decisions and choices in one's life and then bearing the consequences of those choices.

We can debate back and forth on whether a retention holster is a better personal decision for managing life risk. That is fine, I love debating personal opinions. But we do not need personal opinions codified into statute.

Very well said!

Jumping Frog wrote:

EEllis wrote:

Dave2 wrote:

EEllis wrote:I have just not seen any evidence to back up the claim that, as a group, oc or cc need better retention due to BG's taking guns out of holsters.

I think the point is that OCers need "better retention" so that BGs can't start taking their guns, not to put an end to something that's already become common... it's a proactive measure, rather than reactive.

At least that's my take on it.

Well I think a holster should, at a min, hold your gun secure through any possible activity a person might make. I also understand and and support anyone who feels better about having some form of retention in holsters to prevent someone else from grabbing their handgun when it's holstered. My issue is people who advocate such a thing based on a need. I have looked and cannot find enough incidents to support a belief that retention holster would have any statistical effect on guns being "Taken" from OCers. Right now I would be more concerned with being able to draw and shoot quickly when needed than some theoretical concern about being targeted by a gun grabber.

My take on it is LIBERTY. We don't need the gosh-darn gooberment legislating holsters.

Back when we were a free country, there was a concept of being accountable for making decisions and choices in one's life and then bearing the consequences of those choices.

We can debate back and forth on whether a retention holster is a better personal decision for managing life risk. That is fine, I love debating personal opinions. But we do not need personal opinions codified into statute.

That is for sure