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Re: Electronic Ear Plugs with NRR 31dB rating

Posted: Tue Jul 12, 2016 6:05 pm
by Skiprr
Abraham wrote:Bluetooth enabled eh...?

If you like distraction while shooting, have at it.

You can actually live without phone access for a few minutes, or even up to a few hours, and you won't die, well, unless you're so addicted to absolutely having to be connected at all times and costs...then the stress of missing a call might cause a myocardial infarction. cough, cough, wimp...
Not to dis ya Abraham. But...

I've assisted some named firearm trainers with their classes. Being able to have a small, in-ear communication paired with the trainer's would have been priceless. Absolutely priceless.

I was also an IDPA SO. Having the match director be able to communicate with me while on an active range would have been amazing.

Just sayin'.

I purchased the non-Bluetooth version of the Walker (and I am so far somewhat less than enamored) because I no longer have any real use for the Bluetooth connection.

Re: Electronic Ear Plugs with NRR 31dB rating

Posted: Tue Jul 12, 2016 9:19 pm
by C-dub
I thought if I had them I would use the bluetooth feature with my phone to listen to music or to talk to others when not shooting. They don't only have to be used when shooting.

Re: Electronic Ear Plugs with NRR 31dB rating

Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2016 8:44 am
by Abraham
I'm appalled by the need of so many to 'have' to be electronically connected at all times.

I don't get it.

I love 'not' talking on the phone. It's not a treat for me to get a phone call or make one.

I love the sound my cotton wood tree leaves make as the wind whistles through them, natures wind chimes. Or the sound of a Mockingbird and the rest of the bird world as they sing. And plain old quiet soothes me, but then I love being alone. I don't need to constantly babble with others, electronically or in person.

Those who 'must' absolutely 'must' have to be constantly electronically connected have my sympathy. You don't know what you're missing. The real world is far better than being addicted to electronic this or that.

My posting on this forum is one the very few electronic diversions in my life and if at the next moment I couldn't do it, I would not mourn for a single second.

Re: Electronic Ear Plugs with NRR 31dB rating

Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2016 11:28 am
by Pawpaw
You don't need to "get it". Why anyone wants or needs the bluetooth connectivity is none of your, or anyone else's, business.

Some may have family or other personal responsibilities that require them to be available. Not everyone is totally self-centered. Some may have tinnitus and need the background noise to help them cope and concentrate. There could be lots of other reasons, again, which are no one else's business.

This thread is a discussion about the equipment, it's capabilities, and how it works. I can't recall anyone asking for a worthless personal opinion.

Re: Electronic Ear Plugs with NRR 31dB rating

Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2016 11:33 am
by Abraham
Pawpaw,

Sheesh!

Got up on the wrong side of the bed?

What you posted is also a personal opinion isn't it...

Yeah, on occasion I post not terribly popular opinions and if you don't care for them, ok, don't read what I post, but your belligerence won't stop me or intimidate me one iota.

Go drink a beer, cool off and think about anger management...

PS, I still love you!

Re: Electronic Ear Plugs with NRR 31dB rating

Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2016 12:51 pm
by Scott B.
Any updated reviews on these?

I'm looking at the Razor X (for cost) and at the 3M PELTOR TEP-100 Tactical Digital Earplug for about double the price.

Razor X 31dB rating versus the 23dB for the 3M Peltor product. The 3M can be recharged on the fly though and doesn't have the neck harness. Hearing protection versus convenience.

Re: Electronic Ear Plugs with NRR 31dB rating

Posted: Thu Aug 04, 2016 5:58 pm
by Pawpaw
NRA American Hunter does a mini review and promises a more thorough one later this year.

http://www.nramedia.org/t/6564291/108319869/57603/33/

Re: Electronic Ear Plugs with NRR 31dB rating

Posted: Sat Nov 12, 2016 8:18 am
by Pawpaw
They're back on sale.

Razor-X for $99.99

Razor-XV for $124.99 (adds bluetooth)

Re: Electronic Ear Plugs with NRR 31dB rating

Posted: Sat Nov 12, 2016 11:27 am
by Skiprr
I never followed-up with a range report; my bad. This was because trials around the house and the one I did at the range left me deciding that I probably wouldn't be able to use them as-is. No fault of the device; it's due solely to my particular situation, one that was the reason for me buying them in the first place, and one that will affect very, very few people. I've had significant surgical work on one side of my face, including reattachment of the ear. I can't use over-the-ear hearing protection any longer because it's impossible to get a reasonable seal around that ear...so there went a couple of nice electronic earmuffs that I had. The ear didn't go back on straight, at the same angle, or even quite the same size. :???: So there went some custom molded in-ear protection I already had.

Before I bought the new Walker's I was 60/40 optimistic that one of the five included pairs of foam inserts would fit, but no real luck. I can get a decent, though somewhat uncomfortable (not one I'd want to leave in for stretches of longer than 15 minutes or so) seal in the problem ear after a bit of compressing, wiggling, and shoving, but after a modest amount of head movement it quickly becomes loosened. No problem in the unaltered ear so, again, this is an almost unique situation; but at least you know why I didn't give a more detailed review earlier. Out of sight, out of mind.

BTW, I've had a set of custom molded plugs made that work perfectly to block sounds, but they're simply that: plugs. Custom molded in-ear electronic protection is very pricey, but may be my only option going forward. An aside is that the Razor uses a plain-Jane attachment point for its earbuds. I don't know if there would ever be an aftermarket audience for it, but if someone were to offer a custom molded piece that could attach to the Razor in place of Walker's generic buds--much like several companies do for Bluetooth cellphone headsets--I'd be all over it.

Because otherwise, these little things perform quite adequately. Again, I didn't buy the Bluetooth version, so can't speak to that functionality. And as someone mentioned, the electronics are clamping, not noise-cancelling; but that's also fine with me. I'm after basic electronics that will clamp high dB sounds quickly and effectively, and still let me hear what's going on around me at normal conversational levels. Almost an absolute necessity for training classes or during competition, and highly desirable for hunters. And when a good in-ear seal is achieved, these little guys clamp down on sound well (and have two modes of operation: "outdoor" with a shorter compression (or dwell) time, and "indoor" with a longer compression time); they are extremely lightweight; the wires to the earpieces extend far enough for most any purpose I can imagine; they allow a quick cheek-weld for rifles or shotguns without disturbing the hearing protection; they hold a charge well; and if powered down still serve as a passive earplug.

There are a couple of minor design/production issues that I think Walker's could address, though, to improve the product.

First, the neckpiece. While I haven't run it through any real-world stress tests, it still strikes me as a bit flimsy. I wouldn't be surprised if that were the first thing to break on the Razor in normal use. It's about 1/3 flexible rubber arms and 2/3 rigid plastic. The flexible rubber arms are nicely flexible, but the plastic at the rear of the neckpiece is one-size-fits-all because it doesn't bend or flex, and based on the radius is sized to fit a 17" neck. On some smaller individuals, the neckband will be loose and you risk it flopping around unnecessarily while moving. On some larger individuals, the rear plastic section will stick out from the back of their necks and position the front control arms not at the front of their necks, but pressed against the sides. If you're a 6'4" 250-pound hunter needing to fit the Razor over or under long-johns, a flannel shirt, and a jacket, you may be in for a lot of fiddling to try to make it work. Seems to me that Walker's should consider making the razor--if not with a replaceable plastic insert at the rear--in at in two differently-sized models.

Speaking of the controls. The ambient volume can't be controlled for each ear individually, but only for the device as a whole. For the vast majority of people, this won't be a big deal; isn't for me. But I can see some who have significantly greater hearing loss in one ear for whom this may be an annoyance or, depending upon personal preferences, a deal-breaker. Unlike many over-the-ear electronic muffs, of course, you can't wear a hearing aid in conjunction with the Razor. The ambient sound volume has 10 settings, from 0 (the same as having the device turned off) to 9, which represents +14dB; seems adequate to me for most purposes; some hunters might prefer a little more volume on the high side.

The control buttons are tiny. And I mean tiny. The ambient volume buttons are on the outside of the neckband, and that's also how you switch operating modes from outdoor to indoor. Presumably, you won't have to tinker with those settings once you put the Razor on...because you really can't. To switch operating modes, for example, you press both the ambient volume "up" and "down" buttons simultaneously; one audible beep will then indicate outdoor mode, and two beeps indoor mode. I'm not the largest guy on the block, but even with the Razor off my neck and in my hands, I can't press both those buttons simultaneously with my index and middle fingers; won't fit. I have to use both thumbs...which makes listening for the confirming beeps a bit awkward. If you're a deer hunter in the Hill Country in December and wearing gloves, you absolutely will not be able to manipulate any of the controls until you take your gloves off.

The on/off switch is on the inside of the neckband, as are the buttons on either side that retract the wires leading to the earbuds. I'll have to trust that Walker's engineers thought that through long and hard. The on/off switch is a small slider that extends only slightly above the surface of the neckband. I think that's fairly secure from accidental operation. But the press-in buttons that retract the earbud wires are raised farther above the band's surface, and take very little pressure to activate. I think this could be a problem for larger individuals. In one experiment, I simulated having the controls farther back, against the side of my neck, and in trying some snap-shot-type rapid cheek welds with a rifle, the retraction button on the rifle side activated one in six times. Not a big deal for a hunter or benchrest shooter, but it could be very aggravating if you shoot 3-gun competitions.

As a follow-on, the earbuds are very lightweight and if you press the retraction button without supporting the earbud, it will absolutely snap back into its fully retracted position...probably faster than you'd like. I don't know if this could cause damage over time, but I'd recommend controlling the earbud with one hand while you press the retraction button with the other hand.

Now the really nitpicky stuff. Documentation. Well, there sort of is. I haven't gone back to check the Walker's website since shortly after I purchased the Razor, but there was almost nothing about the device on their website at that time, and what you get in the package is a 5.5"x8" piece of paper with small print on one side. I suppose it's enough, but it left me wanting.

The Razor comes with a small, flimsy little nylon bag as a "carrying case." You have to compress the neckband and overlap the two arms to even get the device in there, much less fit the charging adapter and cord and spare earbuds in as well. Don't know about you, but there's really no place in my range bag that doesn't see rough use. If I used the little nylon bag to carry the Razor in my range bag, I doubt the device would last more than a few trips to the range. Maybe I'm wrong. I had an old pair of Bose noise cancelling headphones, though, that had given up the ghost; they stopped working and the padding on the earpieces was falling off. They came in a fairly compact, zippered hard case. I was getting ready to toss the headphones just when the Walker's Razor arrived. Ta da! The Razor fit into the Bose case almost like it was made for it.

Overall, I give the Razor 3.5 stars out of 5. I have to take a half-star off simply because I bought it but can't use it; that, however, is only my own personal situation. Otherwise, four stars. I think it does what it says it does, and has some nice features. There are a few design elements that lead me to believe it could be better than it is.

Re: Electronic Ear Plugs with NRR 31dB rating

Posted: Sat Nov 12, 2016 12:35 pm
by Pawpaw
Great review Skiprr. Thanks.

Just thinking... Audiologists make custom molds for hearing aids all the time. I wonder if they could make you one that you could use with the Razor? From what I understand, they typically don't charge very much to make the molds. Of course that is for their customers who spend thou$ands of dollars for the hearing aids.

Re: Electronic Ear Plugs with NRR 31dB rating

Posted: Sat Nov 12, 2016 6:30 pm
by Scott B.
Thanks for the detailed review.

I use these $25 Decibullz for skeet. DIY ear mold kit.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00WIXL6IM/re ... jybXHZFW6G

Seriously thinking about taking the ear mold portion of the Decibullz kit and combining it with an electronic set. The mold material is extremely malleable until it cools, but can be reheated and remolded. Don't think I want to try it with my Peltors, but maybe with these as a total disaster wouldn't be too painful on the pocketbook.

Re: Electronic Ear Plugs with NRR 31dB rating

Posted: Tue Dec 06, 2016 10:29 pm
by Pawpaw
I used my ear plugs on the duck hunt I posted about yesterday. viewtopic.php?f=78&t=87115

They worked great. As expected, they cut off at the sound of a gunshot and then turn back on after a short delay. Needless to say, on a duck hunt there was frequently a flurry of gunshots and these plugs never let me down.

Each plug has it's own microphone, so it was easy to tell which direction sounds were coming from. They never got in my way, but I managed to pull one out with my buttstock. I have no idea how it happened, but it was only once.

I give these two thumbs up! :thumbs2: :thumbs2:

As much as I like my Howard Leight muffs, these are far better.