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I think this thread is in the "off topic" area because it deals with more than just 2A issues.apvonkanel wrote:Keeping to the stated spirit of the entire forum, what are the 2A improvements made (or at least actively in the works) from this new administration? Honestly, everything else seems to be getting worse or dead in the water.
apvonkanel wrote:Keeping to the stated spirit of the entire forum, what are the 2A improvements made (or at least actively in the works) from this new administration? Honestly, everything else seems to be getting worse or dead in the water.
I'm with Bitter on this. When folks like myself are paying $ 1,500 - $ 2,500 per month for health care, while illegal immigrants and others who are able to work but choose not to, get free health care, you can't blame folks for getting upset about it.Bitter Clinger wrote:While those are compelling tragic stories, they do not give the government the right to tax everyone, against their free will, to provide for those people. Stop taxing those of us and to paraphrase your words, "millions of people like us", many of us who continue to go to work each and every day regardless of health constraints, and instead make it easier for those folks you know to obtain and pay for their own care. And BTW, if taxes were lowered, voluntary contributions to legal charities, many of which can help people like those in the examples you gave, would rise as well. But to support or encourage Obamacare, which FORCES me to pay for things that I do not believe in or support, and things that actually destroy my ability to earn an income, like the medical devices tax, is an exceedingly one sided viewpoint.philip964 wrote: What Obamacare did do, that I am personally aware of, was that it allowed two friends who were uninsurable to get health insurance for the first time in awhile. One had a seizure during college while she was under her parents insurance. The other developed diabetes while on Cobra after changing careers.
A simple repeal of Obamacare would have left both these friends out in the cold again. There were most likely millions of people like them. Everyone of them would have been a tragic story in the news, if it was simply repealed.
I realize these aren't directly the administration, but these all have been said to be supported by the administration, directly or indirectly.apvonkanel wrote:Keeping to the stated spirit of the entire forum, what are the 2A improvements made (or at least actively in the works) from this new administration? Honestly, everything else seems to be getting worse or dead in the water.
Oh, andThe 9th Circuit case was ready for oral argument on March 6. But on March 2, the Corps filed a request to remove the oral argument from the calendar and to put the case into mediation. The motion explained: “The Army Corps of Engineers is reconsidering the firearms policy challenged in this case, as well as plaintiffs’ requests for permission to carry firearms on Army Corps property. This reconsideration has the potential to fully resolve plaintiffs’ objections.”
If looking at things from a purely political standpoint (as opposed to my biblical worldview) I can understand the frustration about increased premiums as a result of the ACA. That being said, I've yet to see anything about the AHCA being able to reduce premiums from any news source. I've actually seen quite the opposite. Does anyone have any reliable source they can share that would offer a ray of hope regarding the current AHCA lowering the cost of health care for those of us that have to pay for it themselves?Mxrdad wrote:I'm with Bitter on this. When folks like myself are paying $ 1,500 - $ 2,500 per month for health care, while illegal immigrants and others who are able to work but choose not to, get free health care, you can't blame folks for getting upset about it.Bitter Clinger wrote:While those are compelling tragic stories, they do not give the government the right to tax everyone, against their free will, to provide for those people. Stop taxing those of us and to paraphrase your words, "millions of people like us", many of us who continue to go to work each and every day regardless of health constraints, and instead make it easier for those folks you know to obtain and pay for their own care. And BTW, if taxes were lowered, voluntary contributions to legal charities, many of which can help people like those in the examples you gave, would rise as well. But to support or encourage Obamacare, which FORCES me to pay for things that I do not believe in or support, and things that actually destroy my ability to earn an income, like the medical devices tax, is an exceedingly one sided viewpoint.philip964 wrote: What Obamacare did do, that I am personally aware of, was that it allowed two friends who were uninsurable to get health insurance for the first time in awhile. One had a seizure during college while she was under her parents insurance. The other developed diabetes while on Cobra after changing careers.
A simple repeal of Obamacare would have left both these friends out in the cold again. There were most likely millions of people like them. Everyone of them would have been a tragic story in the news, if it was simply repealed.
I don't think so, as it doesnt exist as far as I can tell. It would be nice if someone could find it, but I'd be pleasantly surprised if they could. The only glimmer of hope is when the Repubs say this is phase 1 of phase 3. I still dont know what that means but I think they are referring to a full repeal, but I could be mistaken. The ultimate outcome would be to have the Gov't stay the "heck" out of it but I dont know if that will ever happen. In the meantime, folks like us are just expected to keep sending the checks every month. GGGRRR.apvonkanel wrote:If looking at things from a purely political standpoint (as opposed to my biblical worldview) I can understand the frustration about increased premiums as a result of the ACA. That being said, I've yet to see anything about the AHCA being able to reduce premiums from any news source. I've actually seen quite the opposite. Does anyone have any reliable source they can share that would offer a ray of hope regarding the current AHCA lowering the cost of health care for those of us that have to pay for it themselves?Mxrdad wrote:I'm with Bitter on this. When folks like myself are paying $ 1,500 - $ 2,500 per month for health care, while illegal immigrants and others who are able to work but choose not to, get free health care, you can't blame folks for getting upset about it.Bitter Clinger wrote:While those are compelling tragic stories, they do not give the government the right to tax everyone, against their free will, to provide for those people. Stop taxing those of us and to paraphrase your words, "millions of people like us", many of us who continue to go to work each and every day regardless of health constraints, and instead make it easier for those folks you know to obtain and pay for their own care. And BTW, if taxes were lowered, voluntary contributions to legal charities, many of which can help people like those in the examples you gave, would rise as well. But to support or encourage Obamacare, which FORCES me to pay for things that I do not believe in or support, and things that actually destroy my ability to earn an income, like the medical devices tax, is an exceedingly one sided viewpoint.philip964 wrote: What Obamacare did do, that I am personally aware of, was that it allowed two friends who were uninsurable to get health insurance for the first time in awhile. One had a seizure during college while she was under her parents insurance. The other developed diabetes while on Cobra after changing careers.
A simple repeal of Obamacare would have left both these friends out in the cold again. There were most likely millions of people like them. Everyone of them would have been a tragic story in the news, if it was simply repealed.
Sadly, I agree.mojo84 wrote:The AHCA will do nothing to help. It is a case of doing something just so they can say they did. It may even make things worse since it keeps quite a bit of the ACA laws and eliminates others. A partial repeal may be worse than a full repeal.
One thing Obama was right about, you can't cover everybody if everybody doesn't participate. There in lies the problem. Not everyone will participate voluntarily and it's not government's job to make them.
Also, as I've said before many times, nothing they propose will reduce the cost of care. Cost of care is what drives the insurance premiums.
Government needs to get out of the way in the healthcare industry as well as the insurance industry. Tinkering with how to pay outrageous costs will not help.