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marksiwel wrote:I gotta believe 3rd hand smoke is a hazard, I believe that we do pollute a lot and that it effecting us (Look at the number of cancers and increase in birth defects) is it global warming? Maybe not, but is reducing pollution a bad thing?

Depends on a number of factors, I guess, but here's two for starters:
1: How do you define pollution? The EPA just classified CO2 as a pollutant, yet it's essential to the life of the plants that feed us and give us air to breath.
2: Is the "cure" worse than the "disease"? Yes, Cap and Trade, I'm looking at you...

chartreuse wrote:

marksiwel wrote:I gotta believe 3rd hand smoke is a hazard, I believe that we do pollute a lot and that it effecting us (Look at the number of cancers and increase in birth defects) is it global warming? Maybe not, but is reducing pollution a bad thing?

Depends on a number of factors, I guess, but here's two for starters:
1: How do you define pollution? The EPA just classified CO2 as a pollutant, yet it's essential to the life of the plants that feed us and give us air to breath.
2: Is the "cure" worse than the "disease"? Yes, Cap and Trade, I'm looking at you...

Well Methane, Mercury and Lead are all on earth aka Natural, but how much of it do you want in your drinking water, food and air?

marksiwel wrote:

chartreuse wrote:

marksiwel wrote:I gotta believe 3rd hand smoke is a hazard, I believe that we do pollute a lot and that it effecting us (Look at the number of cancers and increase in birth defects) is it global warming? Maybe not, but is reducing pollution a bad thing?

Depends on a number of factors, I guess, but here's two for starters:
1: How do you define pollution? The EPA just classified CO2 as a pollutant, yet it's essential to the life of the plants that feed us and give us air to breath.
2: Is the "cure" worse than the "disease"? Yes, Cap and Trade, I'm looking at you...

Well Methane, Mercury and Lead are all on earth aka Natural, but how much of it do you want in your drinking water, food and air?

Unfortunate choice of chemicals, old chap. I've got a mouth full of Mercury, thanks to good ol' British dentistry; have a house full of Lead, though much of it is jacketed; and don't get me started on Methane...

marksiwel wrote:

chartreuse wrote:

marksiwel wrote:I gotta believe 3rd hand smoke is a hazard, I believe that we do pollute a lot and that it effecting us (Look at the number of cancers and increase in birth defects) is it global warming? Maybe not, but is reducing pollution a bad thing?

Depends on a number of factors, I guess, but here's two for starters:
1: How do you define pollution? The EPA just classified CO2 as a pollutant, yet it's essential to the life of the plants that feed us and give us air to breath.
2: Is the "cure" worse than the "disease"? Yes, Cap and Trade, I'm looking at you...

Well Methane, Mercury and Lead are all on earth aka Natural, but how much of it do you want in your drinking water, food and air?

CO2 is essential to the life of the plants that feed us and give us air to breath. How are Methane, Mercury and Lead essential to the life of anything?

This thread is very interesting. A lot of discussion from many angles.

The person to fear the most is the one that says “I am doing this for your own good”.

VoiceofReason wrote: CO2 is essential to the life of the plants that feed us and give us air to breath. How are Methane, Mercury and Lead essential to the life of anything?
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Hey I didnt put them there, ask your maker I guess

austinrealtor wrote: I am seriously allergic to it (coughing fits from being around too much cigarette smoke).

VoiceofReason wrote:I have to wonder if the amount of “third hand smoke” is significant enough to have any affect. I also have to wonder if this “study” is similar to “studies” of handgun violence cited in an effort to enact more restrictive gun laws.

I, too, have developed a serious allergy to tobacco. Being around someone who is a heavy smoker will often make it hard for me to breathe even if s/he isn't lit up at the time. Cigar smoke makes me extremely nauseous.

Riding in a car that's been smoked in, even if no one is smoking at the moment, has made me pass out. Driving said car would be out of the question for me because of the danger of passing out. I still can't ride in my husband's car, even though he had to quit smoking after his stroke last year. (he's always smoked outside, & "aired out" before coming back inside.) We always take my vehicle when we go somewhere together. So yes, the "third hand smoke" issue is real - although it may not be a serious issue for most people.

There are some perfumes that have similar effects on me, especially if the person is wearing more than just a little bit. Anaphylaxis is no fun.

Even so, I do not believe that the government should legislate bans against tobacco or perfumes. Let the market handle it. I understand how hard it is to break a nicotine addiction, even if I disagree with smoking in general. And these perfumes smell good to the wearers, or else they wouldn't wear them. They are not deliberately setting out to harm someone else by their choice to smoke, or to marinate in their scent of choice. This is not, and should not be considered, criminal behavior. Nuisance sometimes, yes, but criminal, no, unlike someone breaking into my home or threatening me in a parking lot.

The world does not revolve around me. If there is a part of the world that is not dangerous to someone else, but is dangerous to me, then it is my responsibility to defend myself against it - it's not up to someone else to make sure I don't come in contact with it. Anymore, I always keep benadryl and an epi-pen handy, just in case. And yes, while I normally don't advocate purse-carry, I will purse-carry those.

quidni wrote:

austinrealtor wrote: I am seriously allergic to it (coughing fits from being around too much cigarette smoke).

VoiceofReason wrote:I have to wonder if the amount of “third hand smoke” is significant enough to have any affect. I also have to wonder if this “study” is similar to “studies” of handgun violence cited in an effort to enact more restrictive gun laws.

I, too, have developed a serious allergy to tobacco. Being around someone who is a heavy smoker will often make it hard for me to breathe even if s/he isn't lit up at the time. Cigar smoke makes me extremely nauseous.

Riding in a car that's been smoked in, even if no one is smoking at the moment, has made me pass out. Driving said car would be out of the question for me because of the danger of passing out. I still can't ride in my husband's car, even though he had to quit smoking after his stroke last year. (he's always smoked outside, & "aired out" before coming back inside.) We always take my vehicle when we go somewhere together. So yes, the "third hand smoke" issue is real - although it may not be a serious issue for most people.

There are some perfumes that have similar effects on me, especially if the person is wearing more than just a little bit. Anaphylaxis is no fun.

Even so, I do not believe that the government should legislate bans against tobacco or perfumes. Let the market handle it. I understand how hard it is to break a nicotine addiction, even if I disagree with smoking in general. And these perfumes smell good to the wearers, or else they wouldn't wear them. They are not deliberately setting out to harm someone else by their choice to smoke, or to marinate in their scent of choice. This is not, and should not be considered, criminal behavior. Nuisance sometimes, yes, but criminal, no, unlike someone breaking into my home or threatening me in a parking lot.

The world does not revolve around me. If there is a part of the world that is not dangerous to someone else, but is dangerous to me, then it is my responsibility to defend myself against it - it's not up to someone else to make sure I don't come in contact with it. Anymore, I always keep benadryl and an epi-pen handy, just in case. And yes, while I normally don't advocate purse-carry, I will purse-carry those.

Well said!