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Re: Open Shotgun Carry in Austin

Posted: Tue Feb 23, 2010 10:38 pm
by ifanyonecan
McKnife wrote:I support this 100%

I'm glad you've done and continue to do your research. Please take every precaution necessary. I would love to know approximate number of attendee's... I might even drive from Houston to Austin to join!
Thank you. I don't have even a rough day set, since there are still some preparations I need to do.
SwimFan85 wrote:ifanyonecan you can. BUT DON'T DO IT PLEASE!

Every business in Austin will post signs prohibiting guns if you open carry.
I find this hard to believe. Besides, it's unlikely they'll post enforceable 30.06 signs. Lucky for CHL holders, business owners are generally ignorant on that matter. :mrgreen:

I was supposed to meet with the lawyer tomorrow morning at 9:30, but because of the weather, UT Austin has decided to suspend most offices and classes until 10:00 tomorrow morning. I will call tomorrow to reschedule.

Do I have a background check and/or waiting period for buying a shotgun? Or can I walk in and walk out that day with it?

Re: Open Shotgun Carry in Austin

Posted: Tue Feb 23, 2010 10:46 pm
by marksiwel
ifanyonecan wrote:
McKnife wrote:I support this 100%

I'm glad you've done and continue to do your research. Please take every precaution necessary. I would love to know approximate number of attendee's... I might even drive from Houston to Austin to join!
Thank you. I don't have even a rough day set, since there are still some preparations I need to do.
SwimFan85 wrote:ifanyonecan you can. BUT DON'T DO IT PLEASE!

Every business in Austin will post signs prohibiting guns if you open carry.
I find this hard to believe. Besides, it's unlikely they'll post enforceable 30.06 signs. Lucky for CHL holders, business owners are generally ignorant on that matter. :mrgreen:

I was supposed to meet with the lawyer tomorrow morning at 9:30, but because of the weather, UT Austin has decided to suspend most offices and classes until 10:00 tomorrow morning. I will call tomorrow to reschedule.

Do I have a background check and/or waiting period for buying a shotgun? Or can I walk in and walk out that day with it?
Woah, have you never bought a Firearm before?

Re: Open Shotgun Carry in Austin

Posted: Tue Feb 23, 2010 11:00 pm
by pbwalker
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Re: Open Shotgun Carry in Austin

Posted: Tue Feb 23, 2010 11:04 pm
by marksiwel
You might also try http://www.yct.org/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; The Young Conservatives of Texas

Re: Open Shotgun Carry in Austin

Posted: Tue Feb 23, 2010 11:15 pm
by The Annoyed Man
ifanyonecan wrote:Do I have a background check and/or waiting period for buying a shotgun? Or can I walk in and walk out that day with it?
With all due respect, if you are a native Texan and you don't know the answer to that very basic question, then maybe pursuing your project at this time is not a very good idea. Wait until you are better informed about the state's gun laws. By then, you might have acquired the wisdom to believe that it is a uniquely bad idea.

I don't mean to denigrate you, and your passion for the RKBA is admirable. But it is worth pointing out that other OC activists, in California for instance, are mostly older than you, and have spent years familiarizing themselves with the laws of the state as well as the federal laws before entering into open carry activism. It doesn't sound to me like you've made that investment in time yet to be that familiar with the gun laws in Texas. If you were, the above question of yours would not need asking.
ifanyonecan wrote:
SwimFan85 wrote:ifanyonecan you can. BUT DON'T DO IT PLEASE!

Every business in Austin will post signs prohibiting guns if you open carry.
I find this hard to believe. Besides, it's unlikely they'll post enforceable 30.06 signs. Lucky for CHL holders, business owners are generally ignorant on that matter.
You find it hard to believe based on what? Years of experience? Historical research?

As to enforceable 30.06 signs, business owners are not going to remain ignorant (to the extent that they actually are ignorant; that's a dangerous assumption) for very long if you rub their noses in it. Sooner or later, one of them will ask a cop, "How can I keep people who are carrying concealed pistols from coming into my store?" And the cop will tell them to just put up a 30.06 sign. It won't take a lot of research for these folks to learn the correct wording and other specifications, and to put the signs up.

Here's the problem. You make an assumption that that business owners are stupid. For the most part, they are not, including the one typing these words on my laptop. For the most part, business owners are smarter and harder working than your average Joe, because that is what it takes to be self-employed. No, they are not stupid. What they ARE is generally uninformed about gun laws — unless they are themselves gun owners and CHLers. But while stupid is generally not a reversible condition, ignorance is.

Parading around with an unloaded pistol, which presumably only you know is unloaded, is behavior calculated, whether deliberately or not, to cause alarm in the average observer. When you cause enough alarm in enough people, watch how fast those 30.06 compliant signs will go up. When that happens, you will have had a direct hand in seeing to it that lawful CHL holders are barred from entering those business establishments.

It is a time tested axiom in the CHL community that it is better not to inform a business owner that their sign is not compliant. It is a corollary that it is better not to inform them that they even have the option of putting up a 30.06 sign. When you push them, anti-gun businesspeople will push back, and it is nothing more than whistling past the graveyard to assume that they are either stupid, or they won't.

Re: Open Shotgun Carry in Austin

Posted: Tue Feb 23, 2010 11:18 pm
by The Annoyed Man
pbwalker wrote:Image
:mrgreen:

Re: Open Shotgun Carry in Austin

Posted: Tue Feb 23, 2010 11:27 pm
by lancermit
The Annoyed Man wrote:
ifanyonecan wrote:Do I have a background check and/or waiting period for buying a shotgun? Or can I walk in and walk out that day with it?
With all due respect, if you are a native Texan and you don't know the answer to that very basic question, then maybe pursuing your project at this time is not a very good idea.
:iagree:
marksiwel wrote:Woah, have you never bought a Firearm before?
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Re: Open Shotgun Carry in Austin

Posted: Tue Feb 23, 2010 11:28 pm
by s197winstang
:iagree: :iagree:

Re: Open Shotgun Carry in Austin

Posted: Wed Feb 24, 2010 4:22 am
by ifanyonecan
The Annoyed Man wrote:
ifanyonecan wrote:Do I have a background check and/or waiting period for buying a shotgun? Or can I walk in and walk out that day with it?
With all due respect, if you are a native Texan and you don't know the answer to that very basic question, then maybe pursuing your project at this time is not a very good idea. Wait until you are better informed about the state's gun laws. By then, you might have acquired the wisdom to believe that it is a uniquely bad idea.

I don't mean to denigrate you, and your passion for the RKBA is admirable. But it is worth pointing out that other OC activists, in California for instance, are mostly older than you, and have spent years familiarizing themselves with the laws of the state as well as the federal laws before entering into open carry activism. It doesn't sound to me like you've made that investment in time yet to be that familiar with the gun laws in Texas. If you were, the above question of yours would not need asking.
ifanyonecan wrote:
SwimFan85 wrote:ifanyonecan you can. BUT DON'T DO IT PLEASE!

Every business in Austin will post signs prohibiting guns if you open carry.
I find this hard to believe. Besides, it's unlikely they'll post enforceable 30.06 signs. Lucky for CHL holders, business owners are generally ignorant on that matter.
You find it hard to believe based on what? Years of experience? Historical research?

As to enforceable 30.06 signs, business owners are not going to remain ignorant (to the extent that they actually are ignorant; that's a dangerous assumption) for very long if you rub their noses in it. Sooner or later, one of them will ask a cop, "How can I keep people who are carrying concealed pistols from coming into my store?" And the cop will tell them to just put up a 30.06 sign. It won't take a lot of research for these folks to learn the correct wording and other specifications, and to put the signs up.

Here's the problem. You make an assumption that that business owners are stupid. For the most part, they are not, including the one typing these words on my laptop. For the most part, business owners are smarter and harder working than your average Joe, because that is what it takes to be self-employed. No, they are not stupid. What they ARE is generally uninformed about gun laws — unless they are themselves gun owners and CHLers. But while stupid is generally not a reversible condition, ignorance is.

Parading around with an unloaded pistol, which presumably only you know is unloaded, is behavior calculated, whether deliberately or not, to cause alarm in the average observer. When you cause enough alarm in enough people, watch how fast those 30.06 compliant signs will go up. When that happens, you will have had a direct hand in seeing to it that lawful CHL holders are barred from entering those business establishments.

It is a time tested axiom in the CHL community that it is better not to inform a business owner that their sign is not compliant. It is a corollary that it is better not to inform them that they even have the option of putting up a 30.06 sign. When you push them, anti-gun businesspeople will push back, and it is nothing more than whistling past the graveyard to assume that they are either stupid, or they won't.
I've been keeping track of gun laws for years; it's always interested me. However, I typically researched the handgun aspects of things and OC. I don't know about the practical aspect of long gun purchase, as I've never bought one. My family always had plenty.

I know I'm not the most experienced or seasoned person here, and that's why I came here. I've already begun investing a significant portion of my time to this with the research I'm doing and the meetings with an attorney and the police I have yet to do.

I said they are generally ignorant on the matter, which you agreed with by saying they're generally not familiar with gun laws. Ignorant does not mean stupid, and your mistake in this caused you to falsely assume I had those opinions on business people.

Rather than mocking me and questioning my ideas and what they're based on, it would be nice if you'd provide your own years of experience with openly carrying long guns. What other historical research can you provide. :rules:

Your predictions of OC effects on 30.06 posting are based on supposition rather than history. OC in other states hasn't resulted in widespread business gun bans.

I'm astounded at many of this forum's members' comments about me based on my age and willingness to ask about things with which I'm unfamiliar. It doesn't seem that any of you have any more experience with openly carrying long guns on foot than I do, nor have any historical cases or incidents having to do with the pertaining laws.

Re: Open Shotgun Carry in Austin

Posted: Wed Feb 24, 2010 7:00 am
by frazzled
Purchasing a shotgun has similar requirements to that of a pistol.
Having said that, what you should really be asking yourself is, where can I get a Remington 870 and how fast can I get to the range to shoot some clays? :woohoo :fire

To the topic, You're OCing in downtown Austin, not downtown Hockley. Mocha Latte' tree hugger capital of Texas, where they don't believe Republicans should be allowed to exist, much less firearms. Plus with the fun history of snipers, losers with pistols near the Capital building, and that whole airplane attack a few days ago, it might make them "a little bit antsy." Its the usual OC/CCl debate. Make business owners antsy and they will ban all firearms, not just OC.

Re: Open Shotgun Carry in Austin

Posted: Wed Feb 24, 2010 2:02 pm
by ifanyonecan
frazzled wrote:Purchasing a shotgun has similar requirements to that of a pistol.
Having said that, what you should really be asking yourself is, where can I get a Remington 870 and how fast can I get to the range to shoot some clays? :woohoo :fire

To the topic, You're OCing in downtown Austin, not downtown Hockley. Mocha Latte' tree hugger capital of Texas, where they don't believe Republicans should be allowed to exist, much less firearms. Plus with the fun history of snipers, losers with pistols near the Capital building, and that whole airplane attack a few days ago, it might make them "a little bit antsy." Its the usual OC/CCl debate. Make business owners antsy and they will ban all firearms, not just OC.
From what I've read from members on this forum that have lived in OC states, yes, some businesses do post because of OC, but it's not widespread.

And thank you for answering my question. TBH, I've rarely shot clays. We used to have a small thrower, but mostly my brother and I would go out to shoot birds, squirrels, rabbits, and the occasional skunk (because they bothered the dogs).

Re: Open Shotgun Carry in Austin

Posted: Wed Feb 24, 2010 2:15 pm
by frazzled
ifanyonecan wrote: but mostly my brother and I would go out to shoot ... and the occasional skunk (because they bothered the dogs).
You're a brave one I'll give you that (or absolutely no sense of smell).
:smilelol5:

What did the UT vampire say?

Re: Open Shotgun Carry in Austin

Posted: Wed Feb 24, 2010 2:16 pm
by marksiwel
frazzled wrote:
ifanyonecan wrote: but mostly my brother and I would go out to shoot ... and the occasional skunk (because they bothered the dogs).
You're a brave one I'll give you that (or absolutely no sense of smell).
:smilelol5:

What did the UT vampire say?
Hey, my Vampire,er um, Wife is training to be a Lawyer at UT! :lol:

Re: Open Shotgun Carry in Austin

Posted: Wed Feb 24, 2010 2:16 pm
by The Annoyed Man
ifanyonecan wrote:Rather than mocking me and questioning my ideas and what they're based on, it would be nice if you'd provide your own years of experience with openly carrying long guns. What other historical research can you provide. :rules:
I did not mock you. I pointed out a lack of experience on your part, bolstered by the question you posed. If you took offense, that was not my intent. I even said, and I quote, "I don't mean to denigrate you, and your passion for the RKBA is admirable."

As to my experience, if you're in college, then I am old enough to be your grandad. I'm not going to waste my time or yours with details. Let's just say that enough years of life experience has taught me what is wise, and what is not, and I'll leave it at that. You may, of course, do whatever you want with that.

Peace out.

Re: Open Shotgun Carry in Austin

Posted: Wed Feb 24, 2010 2:20 pm
by frazzled
marksiwel wrote:
frazzled wrote:
ifanyonecan wrote: but mostly my brother and I would go out to shoot ... and the occasional skunk (because they bothered the dogs).
You're a brave one I'll give you that (or absolutely no sense of smell).
:smilelol5:

What did the UT vampire say?
Hey, my Vampire,er um, Wife is training to be a Lawyer at UT! :lol:
Thats ok, family members are immune. :reddevil

mostly...

:bigear: