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How far is that?

G.A. Heath wrote:How far is that?

I already told you. The Tuscon shooting took less than five minutes. The Virginia Tech shooting about ten. Columbine was a long, long time. And the cops stood outside and did nothing while the killers walked around executing people. Cho re-entered the French class THREE times. Everyone who was still living played dead. He shot them anyway. Repeatedly. In my world, evil doesn't get a second chance.

This still doesn't tell me how far someone has to be away from the shooting before its too far away to render assistance. If the police are already there I assume that your not going to rush past them to go take out the suspect, even if they are just standing around like at VT. So lets say they are 400 yards away, someone in good shape may be able to run that in a minute so is that too far away to help? So lets take a quarter mile, a dragster can make it between 8 and 13 seconds seconds depending on driver and class, but we are not dragsters, is that too far away to help? What about a mile, you can make that in about a minute driving but you might not be aware of the situation so is that too far away to help? I'm trying to understand your position so tell me how far is too far away to help, I need a distance so I can better understand it.

You are not trying to understand anything. You are patronizing us.

If you were actually trying to understand you would read what has been previously said and in doing so you wouldn't have to ask this question over and over because you would already know the answer. Instead you insist on being condescending and playing games.

I give up, I'm trying to understand but I keep getting non answers and keep getting insulted. So let me warn you right now, if you can not deal with what I am wanting to know how can you deal with a debate with someone who is anti-gun? Give me a LOGICAL and FACTUAL answer that does not depend on FEELINGS and is not insulting. People will disagree, getting angry with them because they do not share your sense of self sacrifice does not win them over. But before I start ignoring this thread let me say that I have never gone looking for a fight nor do I have any LE or Military experience. However I will say that I have had the experience of looking down the barrel of a loaded gun that was pointed at me, I have had training beyond the 10 hour CHL course, I do know how to use my weapon, I also know when NOT to use my weapon, and I can say all of that honestly. So ask yourself can you match that, or are you more like Walter Mitty? And I really don't mean that in a condescending way.

Walter Mitty huh? Yes, thats it. We are daydreamers who think that we will run to the rescue or we will die heroically and be celebrated for all time. We are 10' tall and bulletproof.

As we have stated over and over and over it does not take a hero to do what is right. It is not about the accolades. It is about helping others and doing the right thing. We do NOT sit and think of scenarios that we would go into and save the day. We know that it is the right thing to help others if we are able to. We understand that in doing so there is a risk to our lives but we are willing to take that risk. Why? Because it is important to help others and do the right thing. I know if I or my family were in a situation where we needed help I would want someone to help if they were able. So, why not do the same for others. It is not right to ask for help in those times if you are not willing to give it to others.

The popular saying "in a life or death situation when only seconds count the cops are only minutes away" comes into play here. If there is a situation and people are losing their lives and you have the ability to stop the threat, gun or not, you should do it. The police cannot be everywhere at once. In those times it is important that citizens stand up for each other and help one another out. Instead of saying everyone for themselves.

For your factual answer, you have been given answers multiple times. What do you want to hear? That there is no set distance. That the magic number is 100'. That inside 100' taking action is the right thing to do and outside 100' taking action is the wrong thing to do.

Right is right no matter the distance.

As for matching your skills as you put it. Yes, I can. I am military. I run ranges all the time. I have more training than the 10 hour CHL course. I get chosen to train soldiers to use their weapons frequently because I know how to use them and train them. Whether it be the M9, M4, M16 or M249. I know how to use my weapon and I also know when to use my weapon.

Keith wrote:I have allways had a problem of finding a place to shoot were I can be moving and shooting or shoot a moving target. If someone has a place or range were I can practice this please let me know!

Where are you? I tend to use the dry washes at my land. They're as much as 8-9ft deep from center to edge in places, and the land slopes upward away from them in all but one direction, (and my favorite spots have curves or corners in that direction) so I effectively have a 360 degree safe range as long as I don't elevate the muzzle well over the typical target. (For the low direction, I use accordingly shorter targets - generally with 7-15 yard shots, I keep at least 2-3ft of close backstop above the target.)

I'm in McKinney so I'm a city boy. Born and raised in Chicago. I got here as fast as I could. Hey I'll bring a few cold ones for after were done shooting. Where are you located lol. Take Care.

Keith wrote:I'm in McKinney so I'm a city boy. Born and raised in Chicago. I got here as fast as I could. Hey I'll bring a few cold ones for after were done shooting. Where are you located lol. Take Care.

Come to Dallas Pistol Club. for $15 you can compete and shoot on the mvoe and behind cover many targets and it is a blast. Matches are like 2-3 hours. First time shooters are welcome.

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Keith wrote:I'm in McKinney so I'm a city boy. Born and raised in Chicago. I got here as fast as I could. Hey I'll bring a few cold ones for after were done shooting. Where are you located lol. Take Care.

Stephenville's probably a bit far for you. I bet the Dallas crowd will have some suggestions that wouldn't require a six-plus hour round trip drive.

MHO

How far away is a simple answer.
Far enough not to know someone needs help.
Might sound simple but principles usually are.

Beiruty wrote:

Keith wrote:I'm in McKinney so I'm a city boy. Born and raised in Chicago. I got here as fast as I could. Hey I'll bring a few cold ones for after were done shooting. Where are you located lol. Take Care.

Come to Dallas Pistol Club. for $15 you can compete and shoot on the mvoe and behind cover many targets and it is a blast. Matches are like 2-3 hours. First time shooters are welcome.

See here http://www.dallaspistolclub.com/competition.php" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I'm surprised no one has mentioned IDPA.

G.A. Heath wrote:This still doesn't tell me how far someone has to be away from the shooting before its too far away to render assistance. If the police are already there I assume that your not going to rush past them to go take out the suspect, even if they are just standing around like at VT.

The police weren't standing around at VT. That was Columbine. After Columbine police doctrine changed, for obvious reasons; if you do not confront a mass killer, he will go on killing. They only commit suicide (if they do) when they are confronted by police.

If the police are already there, I am not going to interfere with them doing their job.

G.A. Heath wrote:So lets say they are 400 yards away, someone in good shape may be able to run that in a minute so is that too far away to help?

You do what you think is right. If I hear shots, I'm heading toward them. I'm not going to run in like a blooming idiot. I'm going to head rapidly toward the shots, using available cover and constantly assessing the situation to locate the shooter.

G.A. Heath wrote:So lets take a quarter mile, a dragster can make it between 8 and 13 seconds seconds depending on driver and class, but we are not dragsters, is that too far away to help?

Now you're being silly. If you were a quarter mile away, you wouldn't even know a shooting was occurring. As I stated previously, you don't listen to police scanners or 911 calls and run toward the action.

G.A. Heath wrote:What about a mile, you can make that in about a minute driving but you might not be aware of the situation so is that too far away to help? I'm trying to understand your position so tell me how far is too far away to help, I need a distance so I can better understand it.

If you can hear the shots, and in your assessment, they are close enough that you can get there, then you go.

I asked you earlier, if you were standing in the line waiting to shake Gaby Giffords' hand and you saw her get shot in the head, what would you do?

Please answer me. I want to understand your position as well.

I apologize if I threw gasoline on the fire with my comments. I had no intention of doing so. My point in all this is very simple.

If I am caught in an event such as the Arizona shooting, or any mass murder event, I pray that God will give me the courage to intervene on the behalf of those who cannot defend themselves. I pray I will run toward the fire rather than run away. How I will do that, tactically, is something I will have to decide as I go. I'll use whatever tools I can. I won't stop to measure the distance or consider the possibility of something going wrong. I will try to help as best I can. I have no desire to die prematurely. But there are some things that transcend the importance of my life. Standing by and allowing innocent people to be slaughtered is one of them.

I pray every day that no one ever has to face that - particularly me. I only pray that if I ever do, there will be someone running to the fire with me and I'll not be alone.