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mojo84 wrote:I guess these victims shouldn't have confronted the robbers.

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Should have just given up their belongings and been good witnesses. I suspect the robbers will think twice before robbing someone else.

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Glad the students were not hurt and the BGs got whooped. But the students are lucky that they weren't shot. To make matters worse they still may face civil charges if the BGs decide to sue. Stranger things have happened before. Because of crimes like this we have chl. Obviously these students had an alternative (fists or whatever they used). But the case discussed in this thread does not refer to someone being robbed at gunpoint but someone that specifically got out of a "safe" place and put herself in harms way. Many say we have a responsibility to stop bad people. That's the job of the police. My responsibility is to me and mine and if I can help others wothout putting me or mine in jeopardy I will but I am not a police force and there are no"good samaritan" laws as far as I know that protect me when using a concealed gun.

rotor wrote: Many say we have a responsibility to stop bad people. That's the job of the police. My responsibility is to me and mine and if I can help others wothout putting me or mine in jeopardy I will but I am not a police force and there are no"good samaritan" laws as far as I know that protect me when using a concealed gun.

Not what i have said.. I stated specifically we have a moral, ethical position to not walk away from a wrong... What you just implied is vigilantism..
As a lawful citizen you can confront a wrong without being a vigilante as you implied above.

One person "better" way to not ignore a wrong might be to run away and call the police that some person threw a bottle at them.. Ok, good.. that person has done SOMETHING.

One person might try and address the bottle thrower and let them know, that wrong action has a reaction... id'ing the thrower and calling the law, mother or brother.. I know I have done all three of those... with good effect I might add.

My only point is, to do nothing,, to cower away and say... not my problem only makes it wore,, worse for the doer that will likely do it again or escalate, worse for the next victim.

I have not seen anyone in this thread advocate vigilantism or trying to be Batman...

I gave my suggestion earlier and it is not a "do nothing" suggestion. In no way do I think that the perpetrators of this type of crime should be free to continue with their evil deeds. Read below. I am a firm believer though that the police should be handling this type of problem (the vandalism noted by the poster). There are many dead good samaritans that tried to "help" someone else.

rotor wrote:Why not
1. Pull up a couple hundred feet from the perpetrators.
2. Call the cops.
3. Keep a vigilant eye on the perps. If they start approaching be prepared to drive away.
4. take pix if possible.
5. As a last resort if you can't get away be prepared to use force, even deadly force. Teens can kill you just as easily as adults can.
6. Driving away though seems to be a better response to at worst a dent in your car from a soda bottle. Still call the cops though.
7. If unarmed than just drive away as one old man confronting 4 teens is not a fair fight. They would wip my butt.

rotor wrote:I gave my suggestion earlier and it is not a "do nothing" suggestion. In no way do I think that the perpetrators of this type of crime should be free to continue with their evil deeds. Read below. I am a firm believer though that the police should be handling this type of problem (the vandalism noted by the poster). There are many dead good samaritans that tried to "help" someone else.

rotor wrote:Why not
1. Pull up a couple hundred feet from the perpetrators.
2. Call the cops.
3. Keep a vigilant eye on the perps. If they start approaching be prepared to drive away.
4. take pix if possible.
5. As a last resort if you can't get away be prepared to use force, even deadly force. Teens can kill you just as easily as adults can.
6. Driving away though seems to be a better response to at worst a dent in your car from a soda bottle. Still call the cops though.
7. If unarmed than just drive away as one old man confronting 4 teens is not a fair fight. They would wip my butt.

Don't disagree that that is a good solution ... for you, for others, for anyone that is willing and comfortable in doing so.

Don't agree that stopping to talk with the wrong doers is as has been implied vigilantism or playing Batman.

I think we are on the same page.. Do something

rotor wrote:I gave my suggestion earlier and it is not a "do nothing" suggestion. In no way do I think that the perpetrators of this type of crime should be free to continue with their evil deeds. Read below. I am a firm believer though that the police should be handling this type of problem (the vandalism noted by the poster). There are many dead good samaritans that tried to "help" someone else.

rotor wrote:Why not
1. Pull up a couple hundred feet from the perpetrators.
2. Call the cops.
3. Keep a vigilant eye on the perps. If they start approaching be prepared to drive away.
4. take pix if possible.
5. As a last resort if you can't get away be prepared to use force, even deadly force. Teens can kill you just as easily as adults can.
6. Driving away though seems to be a better response to at worst a dent in your car from a soda bottle. Still call the cops though.
7. If unarmed than just drive away as one old man confronting 4 teens is not a fair fight. They would wip my butt.

And that was their choice it cost them their life but they gave it to do what was right, I can never call that as a bad thing. There is that saying about good men doing nothing......

The world IS upside down.

George Zimmerman is of Hispanic decent (Even though his father is Caucasian, he identified himself as a Hispanic), Democrat, community organizer, who was willing to confront the police about how they treated a homeless black man. He is the quintessential liberal.

The majority of the evidence points that Zimmerman was attacked by Martin.

Since the politically correct crowd of parasitic race baiting media whores needed a scape goat to attack, all of Zimmerman's past liberal do gooder deeds were for naught. He was successfully portrayed as a gun carrying racist vigilante baby killer by Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, and others in the media to the point that Obama felt the need to interject himself into the conversation. Note that Obama didn't bring up Zimmerman's past good deeds.

So, when confronting anyone, for any reason, you have to take into consideration the worse case scenario of how are you going to be represented in the media prior to trial. If you have 5,000 posts on this website it WILL be twisted to make you look as bad as possible.

While I agree with Mr. Cotton, that this behavior should be confronted, you have to perform a risk analysis of possible likely outcomes and then make a decision that may effect you for the rest of your life.

Choose wisely my friends.

That's a whole lot of thinking when a few seconds count. I agree it's a mess. We need to take back this Country and there's only one way to do it.
It's a sad state we are in when one has to ponder the ramifications of a "Legal System" before deciding on doing what's right.

There are those that run to the fire or car accident and those that run away or drive on by.

I know and am comfortable with which one I am.

Saw this today.
http://gma.yahoo.com/blogs/abc-blogs/[abbreviated profanity deleted] ... .html?vp=1

Yes, sometimes the cost of doing the right thing is heavy.

Semper Fi to that American. This was once the norm and now it's foreign. We have too many people standing around doing nothing to help each other. As we walk or drive by or stand there and do nothing I hope we all think for a moment that just maybe that could be our children at the bottom of that pile of Violent Criminals. Maybe they will survive...if they don't make it home tonight we can always call the hospitals and morgue so they don't hold up our dinner...

mojo84 wrote:There are those that run to the fire or car accident and those that run away or drive on by.

I know and am comfortable with which one I am.

I've said these very words . . . & I have personally put out or help put out 4-5 fires. I've rendered aid, interjected myself between bad guys/victims. I know consciously that I cannot sit idly by & let wrong occur.

suthdj wrote:Saw this today.
http://gma.yahoo.com/blogs/abc-blogs/[abbreviated profanity deleted] ... .html?vp=1

A comment in response to the article, following the same thread of conversation we're having:

Jeanne S • 20 hours ago Report Abuse
and all those other cowardly people stand around and watch..or take pictures....HOLY #$%$ ! what have we become.....I am a 71 year old woman .I would have helped...I carry pepper spray......Its about 11 dollars a canister.....Get active people and maybe This stuff will stop....