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Cedar Park Dad wrote:

nightmare69 wrote:

Charlies.Contingency wrote:

nightmare69 wrote:We are peace officers and have full authority on any property owned, leased, or under our control like traveling to an althelic event. We have full access to TCIC/NCIC as well. As far as I know you cannot carry under CHL because we are an educational institution. I will have to ask our attorney about that.

Looking back, I can't be certain what he meant by "stopped." He would be lawful if he was pulled over, but not if he was just walking around campus with our current laws. I made the assumption that the OP was talking about getting pulled over by university police.

We can stop anyone for any reason or no reason at all. We are a private university operating on private property. I can tell someone to leave because I don't like the color of his shoes. Public property is a different story, you must have probable cause.

Correction any LEGAL reason. You can't stop someone based on their ethnicity alone. Same for asking them to leave.

Of course, within the confines of the law. But on a side note to that, he doesn't have to kick somebody out officially because their ethnicity, he could always claim it was because they were suspicious acting, or he didn't like their attitude, etc. There's always a little bit of wiggle room to make it whatever you want it to be. Not that I agree with such a practice, but I think he meant that he can "find" a reason if he needs to.

paxton25 wrote:

gljjt wrote:

Keith B wrote:

paxton25 wrote:

Keith B wrote:

paxton25 wrote: If you are carrying under the authority of yoru CHL, you must legally present your permit, no matter what state it's from, to a law enforcement officer when asked for ID in Texas.

I wouldn't present even if I had a Texas CHL, a law with no penalty really isn't a "must"

Actually, it is still the law and is a "must'. HOWEVER, while in your car you could claim you are carrying under the Motorist Protection Act which requires no license. If you are outside of your vehicle and not on property you are in control of, then you legally 'must' present your license or you are breaking the law, penalty or not.

IF you have a CHL and are asked for ID, and you are carrying under your CHL or under MPA, you must present your CHL. It doesn't matter under which authority you are carrying, if you have a CHL and a concealed handgun, you must present the CHL.

And what happens if I don't?

You'll mysteriously geta broken tail light? Get the award for being a horse's posterior? Why do you care?

Of course, within the confines of the law. But on a side note to that, he doesn't have to kick somebody out officially because their ethnicity, he could always claim it was because they were suspicious acting, or he didn't like their attitude, etc. There's always a little bit of wiggle room to make it whatever you want it to be. Not that I agree with such a practice, but I think he meant that he can "find" a reason if he needs to.

Agreed.

Cedar Park Dad wrote:

paxton25 wrote:
And what happens if I don't?

You'll mysteriously geta broken tail light? Get the award for being a horse's posterior? Why do you care?

He's just making a point that he's not going to get in trouble for not displaying his CHL. We had this talk on page 4. Nothing really will happen, but there is the chance that with a d-bag cop, and the right scenario, for it to not be in favor of him. But that's a risk he's taking, and technically, there is no actual punishment. For me, I couldn't bring myself to knowingly break the law like that, I made a commitment, and I do my best to stick to the oath I swore.

Again we're agreed.

Cedar Park Dad wrote:Again we're agreed.

Pop open a keg, I'm ready for another pint.

Charlies.Contingency wrote:

Cedar Park Dad wrote:

paxton25 wrote:
And what happens if I don't?

You'll mysteriously geta broken tail light? Get the award for being a horse's posterior? Why do you care?

He's just making a point that he's not going to get in trouble for not displaying his CHL. We had this talk on page 4. Nothing really will happen, but there is the chance that with a d-bag cop, and the right scenario, for it to not be in favor of him. But that's a risk he's taking, and technically, there is no actual punishment. For me, I couldn't bring myself to knowingly break the law like that, I made a commitment, and I do my best to stick to the oath I swore.

I swore an oath to, it didn't include obeying unconstitutional laws.

paxton25 wrote:

Charlies.Contingency wrote:

Cedar Park Dad wrote:

paxton25 wrote:
And what happens if I don't?

You'll mysteriously geta broken tail light? Get the award for being a horse's posterior? Why do you care?

He's just making a point that he's not going to get in trouble for not displaying his CHL. We had this talk on page 4. Nothing really will happen, but there is the chance that with a d-bag cop, and the right scenario, for it to not be in favor of him. But that's a risk he's taking, and technically, there is no actual punishment. For me, I couldn't bring myself to knowingly break the law like that, I made a commitment, and I do my best to stick to the oath I swore.

I swore an oath to, it didn't include obeying unconstitutional laws.

I swore an oath to uphold the all laws of the state of Texas, and I take that quite literally. I have this mental image, that if I start letting some things slip, why not another... I know it's probably just me putting up defensive barriers to keep myself on a straight line, and attempt to do what I believe is please in the eyes of my God.

I got no problem with that, carry on sir and may God bless and protect you while you serve our state.

paxton25 wrote:

Charlies.Contingency wrote:

Cedar Park Dad wrote:

paxton25 wrote:
And what happens if I don't?

You'll mysteriously geta broken tail light? Get the award for being a horse's posterior? Why do you care?

He's just making a point that he's not going to get in trouble for not displaying his CHL. We had this talk on page 4. Nothing really will happen, but there is the chance that with a d-bag cop, and the right scenario, for it to not be in favor of him. But that's a risk he's taking, and technically, there is no actual punishment. For me, I couldn't bring myself to knowingly break the law like that, I made a commitment, and I do my best to stick to the oath I swore.

I swore an oath to, it didn't include obeying unconstitutional laws.

There are and will be bigger fish to fry than worry about displaying your CHL when asked for ID by an LEO. Are you sure you want to make this issue your line in the sand?

anygunanywhere wrote:

paxton25 wrote:

Charlies.Contingency wrote:

Cedar Park Dad wrote:

paxton25 wrote:
And what happens if I don't?

You'll mysteriously geta broken tail light? Get the award for being a horse's posterior? Why do you care?

He's just making a point that he's not going to get in trouble for not displaying his CHL. We had this talk on page 4. Nothing really will happen, but there is the chance that with a d-bag cop, and the right scenario, for it to not be in favor of him. But that's a risk he's taking, and technically, there is no actual punishment. For me, I couldn't bring myself to knowingly break the law like that, I made a commitment, and I do my best to stick to the oath I swore.

I swore an oath to, it didn't include obeying unconstitutional laws.

There are and will be bigger fish to fry than worry about displaying your CHL when asked for ID by an LEO. Are you sure you want to make this issue your line in the sand?

I am very talented, I can multitask. "line in the sand"? I don't know what you mean, like will I die for it or something? No, I value my life way too much, but as a matter of practice I won't bring it up in routine encounters, in my estimation little to no chance of anything bad happening for practicing it, my choice that's it.

paxton25 wrote:I am very talented, I can multitask. "line in the sand"? I don't know what you mean, like will I die for it or something? No, I value my life way too much, but as a matter of practice I won't bring it up in routine encounters, in my estimation little to no chance of anything bad happening for practicing it, my choice that's it.

I have two questions if you don't mind.

1) Are you a peace officer? It seems that there has been references to lead me to believe you are.
2) Why DO you have an Arizona CHL and not a Texas CHL?

I've been curious.

anygunanywhere wrote:

paxton25 wrote:

Charlies.Contingency wrote:

Cedar Park Dad wrote:

paxton25 wrote:
And what happens if I don't?

You'll mysteriously geta broken tail light? Get the award for being a horse's posterior? Why do you care?

He's just making a point that he's not going to get in trouble for not displaying his CHL. We had this talk on page 4. Nothing really will happen, but there is the chance that with a d-bag cop, and the right scenario, for it to not be in favor of him. But that's a risk he's taking, and technically, there is no actual punishment. For me, I couldn't bring myself to knowingly break the law like that, I made a commitment, and I do my best to stick to the oath I swore.

I swore an oath to, it didn't include obeying unconstitutional laws.

There are and will be bigger fish to fry than worry about displaying your CHL when asked for ID by an LEO. Are you sure you want to make this issue your line in the sand?

That's my take as well. Bigger fish to fry. Whether I like the law or not, I believe it is in my best interest to ID as required. It is low risk either way, but more can potentially go wrong by not producing the ID.

Charlies.Contingency wrote:

paxton25 wrote:I am very talented, I can multitask. "line in the sand"? I don't know what you mean, like will I die for it or something? No, I value my life way too much, but as a matter of practice I won't bring it up in routine encounters, in my estimation little to no chance of anything bad happening for practicing it, my choice that's it.

I have two questions if you don't mind.

1) Are you a peace officer? It seems that there has been references to lead me to believe you are.
2) Why DO you have an Arizona CHL and not a Texas CHL?

I've been curious.

Not a peace officer, former military, so far as AZ CHL, I resisted getting a Texas CHL for the longest time as I am opposed to getting a government permission slip for a constitutional right. When a friend of mine pointed out that because of my service I could get a Arizona one for $65 through the mail with no photo on it and no unnecessary classes I decided to compromise my principles a bit. Moment of weakness let's call it.