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VMI77 wrote:Not to quibble strat9mm...but water actually expands as it freezes, so when it melts it will displace less than the same volume as water than it had as ice.

Strat9mm wrote:Quote: When conducting solid analysis (not cherry-picking convenient years), there has been about 1.4 degrees Fahrenheit warming since 1880, and about two-thirds of that was in the last forty years. If you look at the historical record, there has been a clear upward acceleration since the industrial revolution. This isn't a time frame that fits my argument, it is history starting today and going back for up to thousands of years.

Yes, there have been ice ages and warmer periods, but that is not the issue. The issue is that we humans have become a prominent factor that has accelerated the warming since we started burning coal as fuel.

What I have posted here is simply the facts.
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Facts eh?

Fact 1: Put some ice in a glass of water. What happens? Does the water overflow as the ice melts? No, it stays at pretty much the same level. The ice displaces the same volume as it melts. So what if all the polar ice melts? Nothing will happen, except that formerly frozen-over passageways will make it MUCH easier and faster to transport people and goods. The Piri-Reis map shows the Northern polar passageways in the 1500's, ICE FREE. So either there were aliens who mapped it all out for someone (unlikely), or the northern pole was mostly ice free around the 1500's and we know this because someone TRAVELED THROUGH and MAPPED it. Funny thing, 'scientists' (so-called) have 'proven'(*snicker*) through core samples that the poles were ice free not 500 years ago, but 5000 years ago. Who you gonna believe? Scientists so-called, or an actual map made by human beings with functioning brain-cells who recorded what they actually saw?

Fact 2: CO2 is about 0.03% of the worlds atmosphere. For someone to think that 0.03% of the worlds atmosphere can have such a great effect on the planet, is akin to those morons who think the wings of a butterfly can affect anything significant like the weather. With a clap of the hands, the butterfly dies, and life goes on, and the sun keeps shining. What did that wing flap have to do with anything? All due respect to butterflies, and none to the 'scientists' and their easily disprovable so-called 'theories'.

Fact 2a: Young trees have the greatest growth rates, consume the most carbon dioxide and generate the most oxygen. Old growth trees grow very little and produce VERY LITTLE oxygen. Logic dictates that old growth forests be harvested while being replaced with new growth plantings. As a matter of fact, this alone would mean we would have MUCH LESS CO2 as the fast-growing trees consume larger quantities of CO2 while producing large quantities of oxygen. So much for 'environmentalists' so-called, who are against lumber usage and harvesting, and whose sole purpose seems to be to cause the most harm to human beings. Their own actions and words prove they understand nothing about how the planet and nature operate. These hypocrites deny any of it that contravenes their goals. With all the attacks they make on flatulating cows, one wonders if soon they'll be crying out for the eradication of all HUMAN life on earth! After all, we produce CO2 also! Given their beliefs and actions, a visitor to this planet would easily see environmentalists care nothing for their fellow human beings, and understand nothing about the planet. And people think environmentalists are NOT nut jobs? Please! They should all be put in strait-jackets and locked up so they don't hurt anyone else OR the environment! So much for those hypocrites who call in death threats just because they don't understand that the caribou can walk AROUND an oil pipeline support. And so much for those EVIL hypocrites who call in death threats simply because someone won't serve them some cake or pizza. What is worse, exercising your rights to deny service when it contravenes your beliefs, or threatening someone with death just because they won't sell you a dang pizza? Is anyone who threatens another with death over some pizza, or cake, ACTUALLY SANE? Why aren't those people who want pizza so bad caught and put in jail for their death threats and run through a psych evaluation? Same with 'environmentalists' who threaten and have actually harmed and taken human lives. Such 'people' as described should have no credibility whatsoever.

The 'posters' quote above showed that the planet has warmed 1.4 deg F since 1880.

Fact 3: Average temperature of NORTH POLE in SUMMER: 0 deg C / 32 deg F
Fact 3a: Average temperature of SOUTH POLE in SUMMER: - 25.9 deg C / -15 deg F.

Fact 3b: Melting point of ice: 0 deg C.

Conclusion: NOTHING is melting at the poles year round, EVEN IN SUMMER.

SO WHAT if the PLANET has warmed 1.4 deg F since 1880.

Oh my! RUN FOR YOUR LIVES!!!! AHHHH!!!! We're all going to die!!!! AHHHHH!!!!!

Oh wait, I forgot. The MELTING POINT OF ICE is 0 deg C. So what is happening as a result of 1.4deg F increase in temp?

ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.

So we had to wait 135 years to get 1.4 deg F of warming?

How many HUNDREDS OF YEARS will it take for the temperature at the poles to increase SIGNIFICANTLY ABOVE FREEZING so that ice melts could be significant? Several centuries or so?

Given current events, 'radicalized' islamists will have already been here and taken our heads and enslaved and enforced the JIZZYAH tax (no joke!) on the rest of us left alive WELL BEFORE that even has a chance of happening. Certain prominent individuals who are now indicating we should be fearing and avoiding all robots, also seem to have no idea of what 'radicalized' islamists want to do to the West, Christians and Jews. And they're doing more and more of it on a daily basis and slowly making their way into this country. 2 ISIS camps are now just across the southern border. The robots are coming! RUN FOR YOUR LIVES! Yeah, right. Perhaps they should stop watching movies like Terminator and Ex Machina. After all, we don't let young children watch horror movies for the same reasons. Anyway...

Again, even IF the ice melted, so what? Sea levels will remain the same, and nothing will happen except perhaps a chance for some lower prices on consumer goods, and ocean cruises.

Fact 4: Several 'scientists' and scientific organizations (NOAA, NASA) have been CAUGHT FALSIFYING temperature data in order to 'prove' their global warming theories. If the data had to be falsified, what does tell us about their THEORIES? It tells us their theories were FALSE, and that the falsifiers are frauds and liars who at the very least need to be fired if not outright JAILED for their FRAUD. Al Gore anyone? He's made millions on his lies about global warming. Isn't that called fraud? Talk about FEAR-MONGERING!

Fact 5: If companies such as Solyndra, and many others, who focused on renewable energy technologies, have FAILED, what does that tell us? It tells us that renewable energy technology is NOT ECONOMICALLY VIABLE. Period. If it was, all our electronic devices and homes would all be running on solar or wind energies for MUCH LOWER PRICES than we currently pay. I don't see everyone's home covered in solar cells. I don't see wind farms all over the place. Last I checked, it cost much more to produce practical electric vehicles and corn-based fuel than regular cars and regular fuel. We're wasting corn and harming our economy on practices which make NO ECONOMIC sense. Whose idea was this? Someone needs to apologize to everyone who bought a Prius (or a Volt) and thus HARMED the environment, and to the rest of us for destroying all that corn and wasted so much money making ethanol. In fact, someone needs to apologize and get fired for FORCING car companies to produce electric vehicles which are NOT economically OR ENVIRONMENTALLY viable. It would have been better for us, our national economy, as well as gas prices, to just buy a truck and use regular unleaded.

Fact 6: Anyone who espouses false and EASILY DISPROVABLE THEORIES such as global warming, has either been deceived, or IS A LYING FRAUD and DECEIVER.

The reader needs to decide which group they belong to.

So, which one are you?

Hopefully, you haven't been fooled by a pack of manipulative liars and frauds.

Have a nice Day.

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"Therefore, I would probably be in favor of taking that $4 billion a year we spend on oil subsidies and using that in new fueling stations" for 30 percent ethanol blends. He said the result would be access to fuel that is 50 to 80 cents a gallon cheaper than regular gasoline and better for the environment without an ongoing cost for taxpayers.

"Am I a climate change advocate? I'll tell you what I think about climate change. The temperature's either going up or down at any point in time, so it really is not a big deal. What is a big deal is that the environment is under our control. We do have a responsibility to pass it on to those behind us in at least as good a condition as we found it, hopefully an improved condition."

The summary in the new report also states, “Increasing bioenergy crop cultivation poses risks to ecosystems and biodiversity” (WGIII).

The report lists many potential negative risks of development, such as direct conflicts between land for fuels and land for food, other land-use changes, water scarcity, loss of biodiversity and nitrogen pollution through the excessive use of fertilizers (Scientific American).

Pawpaw wrote:Back to the OP....

Yes, guns are like climate change... Libtards lie about both of them.

I do encourage you to listen to the opposing point of view in the climate debate, but be sure the person you hear admits they can be wrong, and has no financial interest in the issue. Unfortunately, those kind of qualified people are very hard to find these days. It is also hard to find people that discss climate without using the words “neocon” and “libtard”. I honestly can’t stand politics; it is tearing this nation apart.

mojo84 wrote:Saw this article today and it reminded me of this thread. I think this meteorologist make some very good points. I recommend those on both sides of the climate change issue read it. He sums up my thoughts very well.

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I do encourage you to listen to the opposing point of view in the climate debate, but be sure the person you hear admits they can be wrong, and has no financial interest in the issue. Unfortunately, those kind of qualified people are very hard to find these days. It is also hard to find people that discss climate without using the words “neocon” and “libtard”. I honestly can’t stand politics; it is tearing this nation apart.

Senator: Use RICO Laws to Prosecute Global Warming Skeptics

TVegas wrote:Except that, unlike this article, the consensus on climate change is based on objective analysis among experts in the field.