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stroo wrote:JMRA:

Hey it was late last night when I posted that. I meant driving a car not shooting a car. A harmless mental lapse!

It may be that there are just a lot of Glocks out there, but why is there a term "Glock leg" and not one "1911 leg" or "Sig leg" or "Beretta leg" etc. So while the term may be overdone, there usually is an underlying reason. See: http://bearingarms.com/is-the-glock-inherently-unsafe/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;. It is a pretty fair article stating the benefits of Glocks as well as the safety issues.

BTW on this whole topic see the following: http://www.policeone.com/police-product ... discharge/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

jmra wrote:

stroo wrote:JMRA:

Hey it was late last night when I posted that. I meant driving a car not shooting a car. A harmless mental lapse!

It may be that there are just a lot of Glocks out there, but why is there a term "Glock leg" and not one "1911 leg" or "Sig leg" or "Beretta leg" etc. So while the term may be overdone, there usually is an underlying reason. See: http://bearingarms.com/is-the-glock-inherently-unsafe/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;. It is a pretty fair article stating the benefits of Glocks as well as the safety issues.

BTW on this whole topic see the following: http://www.policeone.com/police-product ... discharge/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I'll give you my opinion as to why the term Glock leg exist. Glock's design was revolutionary and turned the market upside down. Traditionalist felt threatened and other manufacturers became nervous. A very strong bias was formed fueled by both those who despised the new comer with the plastic gun and those fueled by financial concerns. They would grasp any straw to bring down and destroy the reputation of the newcomer. IMHO Glock leg was just another one of the straws. I have seen videos of people shooting themselves in the leg with a Glock and I've seen videos of people shooting themselves in the leg with a 1911. What I haven't seen is any statistical evidence that one firearm was used in those shootings at a higher rate based on market share than any other design. And why do people still insist on using the term Glock leg when glocks design has been copied by all of the major manufacturers if it is not a specific biased aimed at glocks success? If someone shoots themselves in the leg with an M&P do we say M&P leg? No, in fact people don't even wait to find out what type of weapon was used before screaming Glock leg. That is the definition of bias and product bigotry.
I will relent in one area. When Glock first came on the scene many carried over their extremely bad habits of having their finger on the trigger of guns with manual safeties relying on the manual safety to prevent a premature discharge instead of their brain. This may have resulted in some NDs with glocks and firearms which copied glocks design. But this was and continues to be the fault of individuals who misused the design of firearms with manual safeties and carried over their bad habits. If someone has only driven a car with an automatic transmission and jumps into a car with a stick shift is it the fault of the manual transmission that they roll backwards when attempting to move forward from a stop on an incline or is it the fault of the driver? Does the inexperience or negligence of the driver make the design of the manual transmission flawed? No, I don't think so.

Right2Carry wrote:

jmra wrote:

stroo wrote:JMRA:

Hey it was late last night when I posted that. I meant driving a car not shooting a car. A harmless mental lapse!

It may be that there are just a lot of Glocks out there, but why is there a term "Glock leg" and not one "1911 leg" or "Sig leg" or "Beretta leg" etc. So while the term may be overdone, there usually is an underlying reason. See: http://bearingarms.com/is-the-glock-inherently-unsafe/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;. It is a pretty fair article stating the benefits of Glocks as well as the safety issues.

BTW on this whole topic see the following: http://www.policeone.com/police-product ... discharge/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I'll give you my opinion as to why the term Glock leg exist. Glock's design was revolutionary and turned the market upside down. Traditionalist felt threatened and other manufacturers became nervous. A very strong bias was formed fueled by both those who despised the new comer with the plastic gun and those fueled by financial concerns. They would grasp any straw to bring down and destroy the reputation of the newcomer. IMHO Glock leg was just another one of the straws. I have seen videos of people shooting themselves in the leg with a Glock and I've seen videos of people shooting themselves in the leg with a 1911. What I haven't seen is any statistical evidence that one firearm was used in those shootings at a higher rate based on market share than any other design. And why do people still insist on using the term Glock leg when glocks design has been copied by all of the major manufacturers if it is not a specific biased aimed at glocks success? If someone shoots themselves in the leg with an M&P do we say M&P leg? No, in fact people don't even wait to find out what type of weapon was used before screaming Glock leg. That is the definition of bias and product bigotry.
I will relent in one area. When Glock first came on the scene many carried over their extremely bad habits of having their finger on the trigger of guns with manual safeties relying on the manual safety to prevent a premature discharge instead of their brain. This may have resulted in some NDs with glocks and firearms which copied glocks design. But this was and continues to be the fault of individuals who misused the design of firearms with manual safeties and carried over their bad habits. If someone has only driven a car with an automatic transmission and jumps into a car with a stick shift is it the fault of the manual transmission that they roll backwards when attempting to move forward from a stop on an incline or is it the fault of the driver? Does the inexperience or negligence of the driver make the design of the manual transmission flawed? No, I don't think so.

Most of the other manufacturers have incorporated safeties either grip or a manual. It's called Glock Leg because it happens mostly with Glocks. You just don't see much of this with DAO, DA/SA, and SA pistols.

carlson1 wrote:

Right2Carry wrote:

jmra wrote:

stroo wrote:JMRA:

Hey it was late last night when I posted that. I meant driving a car not shooting a car. A harmless mental lapse!

It may be that there are just a lot of Glocks out there, but why is there a term "Glock leg" and not one "1911 leg" or "Sig leg" or "Beretta leg" etc. So while the term may be overdone, there usually is an underlying reason. See: http://bearingarms.com/is-the-glock-inherently-unsafe/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;. It is a pretty fair article stating the benefits of Glocks as well as the safety issues.

BTW on this whole topic see the following: http://www.policeone.com/police-product ... discharge/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I'll give you my opinion as to why the term Glock leg exist. Glock's design was revolutionary and turned the market upside down. Traditionalist felt threatened and other manufacturers became nervous. A very strong bias was formed fueled by both those who despised the new comer with the plastic gun and those fueled by financial concerns. They would grasp any straw to bring down and destroy the reputation of the newcomer. IMHO Glock leg was just another one of the straws. I have seen videos of people shooting themselves in the leg with a Glock and I've seen videos of people shooting themselves in the leg with a 1911. What I haven't seen is any statistical evidence that one firearm was used in those shootings at a higher rate based on market share than any other design. And why do people still insist on using the term Glock leg when glocks design has been copied by all of the major manufacturers if it is not a specific biased aimed at glocks success? If someone shoots themselves in the leg with an M&P do we say M&P leg? No, in fact people don't even wait to find out what type of weapon was used before screaming Glock leg. That is the definition of bias and product bigotry.
I will relent in one area. When Glock first came on the scene many carried over their extremely bad habits of having their finger on the trigger of guns with manual safeties relying on the manual safety to prevent a premature discharge instead of their brain. This may have resulted in some NDs with glocks and firearms which copied glocks design. But this was and continues to be the fault of individuals who misused the design of firearms with manual safeties and carried over their bad habits. If someone has only driven a car with an automatic transmission and jumps into a car with a stick shift is it the fault of the manual transmission that they roll backwards when attempting to move forward from a stop on an incline or is it the fault of the driver? Does the inexperience or negligence of the driver make the design of the manual transmission flawed? No, I don't think so.

Most of the other manufacturers have incorporated safeties either grip or a manual. It's called Glock Leg because it happens mostly with Glocks. You just don't see much of this with DAO, DA/SA, and SA pistols.

That is a myth. It happens frequent even with revolvers. It happens with every manufacturer because the one handling the firearm makes a critical mistake.

Right2Carry wrote:

carlson1 wrote:

Right2Carry wrote:

jmra wrote:

stroo wrote:JMRA:

Hey it was late last night when I posted that. I meant driving a car not shooting a car. A harmless mental lapse!

It may be that there are just a lot of Glocks out there, but why is there a term "Glock leg" and not one "1911 leg" or "Sig leg" or "Beretta leg" etc. So while the term may be overdone, there usually is an underlying reason. See: http://bearingarms.com/is-the-glock-inherently-unsafe/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;. It is a pretty fair article stating the benefits of Glocks as well as the safety issues.

BTW on this whole topic see the following: http://www.policeone.com/police-product ... discharge/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I'll give you my opinion as to why the term Glock leg exist. Glock's design was revolutionary and turned the market upside down. Traditionalist felt threatened and other manufacturers became nervous. A very strong bias was formed fueled by both those who despised the new comer with the plastic gun and those fueled by financial concerns. They would grasp any straw to bring down and destroy the reputation of the newcomer. IMHO Glock leg was just another one of the straws. I have seen videos of people shooting themselves in the leg with a Glock and I've seen videos of people shooting themselves in the leg with a 1911. What I haven't seen is any statistical evidence that one firearm was used in those shootings at a higher rate based on market share than any other design. And why do people still insist on using the term Glock leg when glocks design has been copied by all of the major manufacturers if it is not a specific biased aimed at glocks success? If someone shoots themselves in the leg with an M&P do we say M&P leg? No, in fact people don't even wait to find out what type of weapon was used before screaming Glock leg. That is the definition of bias and product bigotry.
I will relent in one area. When Glock first came on the scene many carried over their extremely bad habits of having their finger on the trigger of guns with manual safeties relying on the manual safety to prevent a premature discharge instead of their brain. This may have resulted in some NDs with glocks and firearms which copied glocks design. But this was and continues to be the fault of individuals who misused the design of firearms with manual safeties and carried over their bad habits. If someone has only driven a car with an automatic transmission and jumps into a car with a stick shift is it the fault of the manual transmission that they roll backwards when attempting to move forward from a stop on an incline or is it the fault of the driver? Does the inexperience or negligence of the driver make the design of the manual transmission flawed? No, I don't think so.

Most of the other manufacturers have incorporated safeties either grip or a manual. It's called Glock Leg because it happens mostly with Glocks. You just don't see much of this with DAO, DA/SA, and SA pistols.

That is a myth. It happens frequent even with revolvers. It happens with every manufacturer because the one handling the firearm makes a critical mistake.

The trigger pull on DA pistols is a big difference from striker fired ones. It's not a myth and there are plenty of videos to prove otherwise.

carlson1 wrote:1. Treat every firearm as if it is loaded.
2. Never point the firearm at anything you are not willing to destroy.
3. Always be sure of your target and what is beyond it (also what is beside it).
4. Keep your finger off the trigger until you are on target and ready to fire.

You may be able to violate one of the rules and get away with it, but with ANY FIREARM if you violate two or more you are going to have a problem. Ignorance of not knowing how to operate a certain firearm or how that firearms functions does not inherently make that firearm any more dangerous.

I have seen my fair shares of ND with revolvers especially in the 70's and 80's.

jmra wrote:

Right2Carry wrote:

carlson1 wrote:

Right2Carry wrote:

jmra wrote:

stroo wrote:JMRA:

Hey it was late last night when I posted that. I meant driving a car not shooting a car. A harmless mental lapse!

It may be that there are just a lot of Glocks out there, but why is there a term "Glock leg" and not one "1911 leg" or "Sig leg" or "Beretta leg" etc. So while the term may be overdone, there usually is an underlying reason. See: http://bearingarms.com/is-the-glock-inherently-unsafe/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;. It is a pretty fair article stating the benefits of Glocks as well as the safety issues.

BTW on this whole topic see the following: http://www.policeone.com/police-product ... discharge/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I'll give you my opinion as to why the term Glock leg exist. Glock's design was revolutionary and turned the market upside down. Traditionalist felt threatened and other manufacturers became nervous. A very strong bias was formed fueled by both those who despised the new comer with the plastic gun and those fueled by financial concerns. They would grasp any straw to bring down and destroy the reputation of the newcomer. IMHO Glock leg was just another one of the straws. I have seen videos of people shooting themselves in the leg with a Glock and I've seen videos of people shooting themselves in the leg with a 1911. What I haven't seen is any statistical evidence that one firearm was used in those shootings at a higher rate based on market share than any other design. And why do people still insist on using the term Glock leg when glocks design has been copied by all of the major manufacturers if it is not a specific biased aimed at glocks success? If someone shoots themselves in the leg with an M&P do we say M&P leg? No, in fact people don't even wait to find out what type of weapon was used before screaming Glock leg. That is the definition of bias and product bigotry.
I will relent in one area. When Glock first came on the scene many carried over their extremely bad habits of having their finger on the trigger of guns with manual safeties relying on the manual safety to prevent a premature discharge instead of their brain. This may have resulted in some NDs with glocks and firearms which copied glocks design. But this was and continues to be the fault of individuals who misused the design of firearms with manual safeties and carried over their bad habits. If someone has only driven a car with an automatic transmission and jumps into a car with a stick shift is it the fault of the manual transmission that they roll backwards when attempting to move forward from a stop on an incline or is it the fault of the driver? Does the inexperience or negligence of the driver make the design of the manual transmission flawed? No, I don't think so.

Most of the other manufacturers have incorporated safeties either grip or a manual. It's called Glock Leg because it happens mostly with Glocks. You just don't see much of this with DAO, DA/SA, and SA pistols.

That is a myth. It happens frequent even with revolvers. It happens with every manufacturer because the one handling the firearm makes a critical mistake.

The trigger pull on DA pistols is a big difference from striker fired ones. It's not a myth and there are plenty of videos to prove otherwise.

Then provide the statistical evidence to back your claims. It's not that difficult. Yes there are videos of NDs with glocks, there are also videos of NDs with 1911s and just about every firearm out there. Yet you claim it is mostly glocks. Then put your evidence behind your words and prove it.

Right2Carry wrote: Sorry I am not going to post every video out there of professionals shooting themselves while reholstering with Glocks. Just because you say it ain't so doesn't make it fact.

The term " Glock Leg" didn't just pop out of thin air, it has real meaning associated with a firearm that fails to address the fallability of humans.

Glocks haven't just be known to fire with a finger on the trigger while reholstering. Keys, articles of clothing, drawstrings, etc all have been known to cause enough trigger movement to fire the gun while reholstering.

Nobody is saying self inflicted gunshoots don't happen with other manufacturers, what I am saying it seems to be more prevalent with striker fired pistols with no safeties when reholstering. I am not really sure how someone shoots themselves while reholstering with a manual safety engaged but maybe you can explain it.

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