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mojo84 wrote:

cb1000rider wrote:

mojo84 wrote: In other words, you would make a judgement based on what someone is wearing contrary to what you said in prior posts. Why would a cop not do the same?

Mojo, I'm going to call you out here: You're not telling the truth. Please quote me where I said that - meaning the contrary statements. I've said quite the opposite and can quote it. If I said it, I'll be accountable for it.

I'm willing to discuss whatever with you, but there has to be reasonable level of respectful disagreement. Indicating that I said things that I did not is not a reasonable way to frame a debate. Maybe it's a misunderstanding, but you'll have to point it out by quoting me.

Thanks for answering my question.

Here you go. Your first sentence of the second paragraph says you don't care what people wear. Then you went on to proclaim the freedoms to dress as one wishes in our country.

Then you said you would be concerned about someone based on what they are wearing as if cops shouldn't.

cb1000rider
Senior Member
Re: Police confiscated my weapon
PostThu Oct 08, 2015 4:52 pm

Mojo: What should I think about the kids that run around my town in caravans of lifted trucks flying confederate flags? Maybe they should be stopped and arrested for traffic violations?

I don't care what patch you wear or what you dress like. If you're in this country, you get the honor of being equal treatment and protection under the law thanks to the actions of people who fought and died for our country. That includes people with lifestyles and views that I don't like.

Many on this forum point to Waco as a group of "thugs" that were dressing the wrong way and got what they deserved. That may be true for some of them, but those same people gloss over the fact that some of them were CHL holders with zero criminal history and normal jobs. I think the lack of credible evidence out of that whole situation is like crickets chirping and it's going to cost that city and county a fortune, but that's just a prediction.

I may not agree a particular choice of dress, but I'm glad I live in a country where you can offend me. Mainly because I want to retain the right to offend you with my views. None of us want to be told what to thing, right? Hopefully we can agree on that.

In regard to your situation, it's unfortunate, but it sounds like they walked the thin line. The supreme court has established that LEOs can arrest for traffic offenses (Atwater vs Lago Vista), but I'd certainly lodge a complaint with the department as it may violate departmental policy.

If you find that it's typical to be treated that way, I'd find a way to even the playing field - mainly a camera or other recording device that leaves no doubt as to what happened.

PS: Use your turn signals... Or arm signals in the MC case.

Safe riding.

Now it's your turn to quote me where I said someone should be arrested solely for what they are wearing.

MONGOOSE wrote:

mojo84 wrote:

cb1000rider wrote:

mojo84 wrote: In other words, you would make a judgement based on what someone is wearing contrary to what you said in prior posts. Why would a cop not do the same?

Mojo, I'm going to call you out here: You're not telling the truth. Please quote me where I said that - meaning the contrary statements. I've said quite the opposite and can quote it. If I said it, I'll be accountable for it.

I'm willing to discuss whatever with you, but there has to be reasonable level of respectful disagreement. Indicating that I said things that I did not is not a reasonable way to frame a debate. Maybe it's a misunderstanding, but you'll have to point it out by quoting me.

Thanks for answering my question.

Here you go. Your first sentence of the second paragraph says you don't care what people wear. Then you went on to proclaim the freedoms to dress as one wishes in our country.

Then you said you would be concerned about someone based on what they are wearing as if cops shouldn't.

cb1000rider
Senior Member
Re: Police confiscated my weapon
PostThu Oct 08, 2015 4:52 pm

Mojo: What should I think about the kids that run around my town in caravans of lifted trucks flying confederate flags? Maybe they should be stopped and arrested for traffic violations?

I don't care what patch you wear or what you dress like. If you're in this country, you get the honor of being equal treatment and protection under the law thanks to the actions of people who fought and died for our country. That includes people with lifestyles and views that I don't like.

Many on this forum point to Waco as a group of "thugs" that were dressing the wrong way and got what they deserved. That may be true for some of them, but those same people gloss over the fact that some of them were CHL holders with zero criminal history and normal jobs. I think the lack of credible evidence out of that whole situation is like crickets chirping and it's going to cost that city and county a fortune, but that's just a prediction.

I may not agree a particular choice of dress, but I'm glad I live in a country where you can offend me. Mainly because I want to retain the right to offend you with my views. None of us want to be told what to thing, right? Hopefully we can agree on that.

In regard to your situation, it's unfortunate, but it sounds like they walked the thin line. The supreme court has established that LEOs can arrest for traffic offenses (Atwater vs Lago Vista), but I'd certainly lodge a complaint with the department as it may violate departmental policy.

If you find that it's typical to be treated that way, I'd find a way to even the playing field - mainly a camera or other recording device that leaves no doubt as to what happened.

PS: Use your turn signals... Or arm signals in the MC case.

Safe riding.

Now it's your turn to quote me where I said someone should be arrested solely for what they are wearing.

Where did you show he cared what people wear or should be judged by their apparel?

To answer specifically, I'd have increased situational awareness. That dress does set of my threat detection. I have bias.

mojo84 wrote:Here you go. Your first sentence of the second paragraph says you don't care what people wear.

mojo84 wrote: Now it's your turn to quote me where I said someone should be arrested solely for what they are wearing.

MONGOOSE wrote:I read your quote, now show me the exact sentence where you claim he said what he said....think you can do that?

I don't care what patch you wear or what you dress like.

To answer specifically, I'd have increased situational awareness. That dress does set of my threat detection. I have bias.

I don't care what patch you wear or what you dress like. If you're in this country, you get the honor of being equal treatment and protection under the law thanks to the actions of people who fought and died for our country. That includes people with lifestyles and views that I don't like.

If I'm coming off as immune to bias or threat detection, that's not my intention. And certainly I'm not immune. I've got my own set of profiling issues - I think it's part of human nature. Like I said before I take issue not with giving people of a certain "look" additional scrutiny or heightened situational awareness, but I do have a significant issue with those that think they should be rounded up just based on how they look. When we start rounding people up and locking them up, without due process, based on how they look or who they may have associated with, what does that sound like to you?
To answer specifically, I'd have increased situational awareness. That dress does set of my threat detection. I have bias.

cb1000rider wrote:Let's use context, shall we:

I don't care what patch you wear or what you dress like. If you're in this country, you get the honor of being equal treatment and protection under the law thanks to the actions of people who fought and died for our country. That includes people with lifestyles and views that I don't like.

Mojo indicates that this is contrary to:

If I'm coming off as immune to bias or threat detection, that's not my intention. And certainly I'm not immune. I've got my own set of profiling issues - I think it's part of human nature. Like I said before I take issue not with giving people of a certain "look" additional scrutiny or heightened situational awareness, but I do have a significant issue with those that think they should be rounded up just based on how they look. When we start rounding people up and locking them up, without due process, based on how they look or who they may have associated with, what does that sound like to you?
To answer specifically, I'd have increased situational awareness. That dress does set of my threat detection. I have bias.

Are these contradictory statements?

Mojo - I understand why you though I was contracting myself. I don't agree with you, but I see the basis for it. My apologize for indicating that you were intentionally saying something completely untrue. I'd just ask that you consider context.

puma guy wrote:Though I haven't read every post entirely I can say one thing. There are some folks here I would never want on my jury! I almost agree with Beiruty to lock this post but I'd like for the OP to be able to update us....if he ever comes back.

mojo84 wrote:

puma guy wrote:Though I haven't read every post entirely I can say one thing. There are some folks here I would never want on my jury! I almost agree with Beiruty to lock this post but I'd like for the OP to be able to update us....if he ever comes back.

Care to expound on that? I suspect you are basing your comments on some erroneous assumptions. I can say for one thing, I wouldn't want someone on my jury that jumps to conclusions based on limited info and not willing to consider all the evidence.

ron_houston wrote:About 10 years ago I was stopped on Telephone Road next to Hobby Airport on my Harley. As the officer walked up I kept my hands on the grips and said "officer, I have a Texas CHL and I am armed" he stepped back (and in an obvious show of superiority) un-snapped his holster. He asked where by weapon was and I told him in a shoulder holster under my left arm. I was wearing a leather vest and all he said was "do not unbutton your vest". He proceeded to give me a warning ticket for my tail-light not being "bright enough". My Harley was less than a month old 2005 Super Glide. I went to the nearest dealer and handed the service manager the warning. He laughed and said that he got about one a week from that same officer. It seems the officer's wife left him for a biker.
You just never can tell.

Glockster wrote:

ron_houston wrote:About 10 years ago I was stopped on Telephone Road next to Hobby Airport on my Harley. As the officer walked up I kept my hands on the grips and said "officer, I have a Texas CHL and I am armed" he stepped back (and in an obvious show of superiority) un-snapped his holster. He asked where by weapon was and I told him in a shoulder holster under my left arm. I was wearing a leather vest and all he said was "do not unbutton your vest". He proceeded to give me a warning ticket for my tail-light not being "bright enough". My Harley was less than a month old 2005 Super Glide. I went to the nearest dealer and handed the service manager the warning. He laughed and said that he got about one a week from that same officer. It seems the officer's wife left him for a biker.
You just never can tell.

So did you pay the ticket?

Glockster wrote:

ron_houston wrote:About 10 years ago I was stopped on Telephone Road next to Hobby Airport on my Harley. As the officer walked up I kept my hands on the grips and said "officer, I have a Texas CHL and I am armed" he stepped back (and in an obvious show of superiority) un-snapped his holster. He asked where by weapon was and I told him in a shoulder holster under my left arm. I was wearing a leather vest and all he said was "do not unbutton your vest". He proceeded to give me a warning ticket for my tail-light not being "bright enough". My Harley was less than a month old 2005 Super Glide. I went to the nearest dealer and handed the service manager the warning. He laughed and said that he got about one a week from that same officer. It seems the officer's wife left him for a biker.
You just never can tell.

So did you pay the ticket?