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mojo84 wrote:Going back thousands of years and blaming others for today's violence isn't productive. At some point, we all have to quit looking back to find someone else to blame so that our actions today can be justified.

Here is a different perspective on the crusades and the effect they had. http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/200 ... ml?start=1

Beiruty wrote:

Oldgringo wrote:The Marine Corps hymn: "...to the shores of Tripoli...". President Jefferson sent the U.S. Marines to stop the muslim pirates along the Barbary Coast some 200 years ago. Today's muslim acts of murder and mayhem are nothing new. It just may be be, but this infidel considers the destruction of several building and the murder of some 3,000 civilians on 9/11/01 to be evil. The televised cheers of muslim supporters of the 9/11 attacks were evil. The list of bombings and murder of civilians goes on and on and is as evil as evil gets.

No, today's savagery and barbaric murders are not the result of US involvement in the Middle East. Today's savagery, murder and mayhem by muslims began some 600 years after the birth of Christ. Look it up.

Yes look it up, there was not much war in the first 27 yrs to conquer the whole old world. Blood bath really started at the days of crusaders.

Beiruty wrote:
Yes look it up, there was not much war in the first 27 yrs to conquer the whole old world. Blood bath really started at the days of crusaders.

suthdj wrote:I think we should just blame God and Abraham. After all wasn't it their deal or maybe we should blame his wife for handing over her hand maiden.

Religion is just their excuse to justify their evil.

VMI77 wrote:

suthdj wrote:I think we should just blame God and Abraham. After all wasn't it their deal or maybe we should blame his wife for handing over her hand maiden.

Religion is just their excuse to justify their evil.

If it was just a religion that would be an entirely different debate. It's not....it's a system of government and one that is antithetical to our Constitutional Republic in particular and Western values in general.

Ignored in news coverage of the Paris massacre is the single most pertinent piece of background: A 2014 opinion poll found that ISIS had an approval rating in France (at 16%) almost as high as President Francois Holland (at 18%). In the 18-to-24-year-old demographic, ISIS’ support jumped to 27%. Muslims comprise about a tenth of France’s population, so the results imply that ISIS had the support of the overwhelming majority of French Muslims (and especially Muslim youth), as well as the endorsement of a large part of the non-Muslim Left.

mojo84 wrote:Looks to me the Muslim didn't need any influence from Christians or the United States to start fighting one another. While not an extensive history or dissertation of Islam, this may shed some light to those of us not very familiar with Islam.

http://www.metmuseum.org/learn/for-educ ... s-of-islam

Here is more detail discussing the origins of Islam and a brief history of it.

http://www.islamreligion.com/articles/3 ... am-part-1/

Oldgringo wrote:

mojo84 wrote:Looks to me the Muslim didn't need any influence from Christians or the United States to start fighting one another. While not an extensive history or dissertation of Islam, this may shed some light to those of us not very familiar with Islam.

http://www.metmuseum.org/learn/for-educ ... s-of-islam

Here is more detail discussing the origins of Islam and a brief history of it.

http://www.islamreligion.com/articles/3 ... am-part-1/

FWIW, there is a History Channel documentary, "INSIDE ISLAM", that is available from NetFlix that praises early Islamic culture and also speaks to the attacks upon and conquest of non-muslims prior to and after the crusades.

suthdj wrote:I think we should just blame God and Abraham. After all wasn't it their deal or maybe we should blame his wife for handing over her hand maiden.

Religion is just their excuse to justify their evil.

anygunanywhere wrote:

Oldgringo wrote:

mojo84 wrote:Looks to me the Muslim didn't need any influence from Christians or the United States to start fighting one another. While not an extensive history or dissertation of Islam, this may shed some light to those of us not very familiar with Islam.

http://www.metmuseum.org/learn/for-educ ... s-of-islam

Here is more detail discussing the origins of Islam and a brief history of it.

http://www.islamreligion.com/articles/3 ... am-part-1/

FWIW, there is a History Channel documentary, "INSIDE ISLAM", that is available from NetFlix that praises early Islamic culture and also speaks to the attacks upon and conquest of non-muslims prior to and after the crusades.

And of course, everything the History Channel broadcasts is the truth.

At least 2 terror suspects killed in raid targeting Paris attack mastermind
Published November 18, 2015FoxNews.com

At least two terror suspects were killed, including a woman wearing a suicide vest who blew herself up, and as many as seven others were arrested, after police stormed a suburban Paris apartment targeting the alleged mastermind of last Friday's massacre in the French capital.

A HEROIC police dog named Diesel has been killed in the police terror raid targeting Abdelhamid Abaaoud – the alleged mastermind behind the Paris terror attacks.

By REBECCA PERRING
PUBLISHED: 11:18, Wed, Nov 18, 2015 | UPDATED: 15:13, Wed, Nov 18, 2015

The seven-year-old Belgian shepherd dog, or Malinois, was “killed by terrorists” when French special forces raided an apartment building in Saint-Denis early on Wednesday morning.

Police National tweeted:"Diesel, a seven-year-old Malinois, police dog for RAID [France's anti-terrorist police unit], was killed by terrorists in the ongoing operation."