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I disagree. For a much wiser man's explanation, I suggest this article.…Russia has ZERO right to invade Ukraine for any reason whatsoever.
And I disagree. Rockwell's article explains, but it fails to justify. We can use the same "logic" to justify invading Mexico…which is also a corrupt nation that abuses human rights and acts against our own interests. But of course, invading Mexico would be idiotic, not to mention morally wrong. Or, we could use that logic to invade Canada because Trudeau is a threat to our security. After all, his leadership of Canada is a threat to democracy everywhere…and we can’t have that right there along the 5,525 mile border we have with them.extremist wrote: Fri Mar 25, 2022 6:53 amI disagree. For a much wiser man's explanation, I suggest this article.…Russia has ZERO right to invade Ukraine for any reason whatsoever.
https://www.lewrockwell.com/2022/03/vas ... an-crisis/
The Annoyed Man wrote: Sat Mar 26, 2022 10:31 pmAnd I disagree. Rockwell's article explains, but it fails to justify. We can use the same "logic" to justify invading Mexico…which is also a corrupt nation that abuses human rights and acts against our own interests. But of course, invading Mexico would be idiotic, not to mention morally wrong. Or, we could use that logic to invade Canada because Trudeau is a threat to our security. After all, his leadership of Canada is a threat to democracy everywhere…and we can’t have that right there along the 5,525 mile border we have with them.extremist wrote: Fri Mar 25, 2022 6:53 amI disagree. For a much wiser man's explanation, I suggest this article.…Russia has ZERO right to invade Ukraine for any reason whatsoever.
https://www.lewrockwell.com/2022/03/vas ... an-crisis/
I completely understand why Putin did it. I also understand perfectly well why Lee Harvey Oswald shot JFK, or why Tonya Harding put the whack on Nancy Kerrigan. But understanding why Oswald and Harding did what they did, is not the same as justifying it.
Sovereign nations get to choose with whom they prefer to be allied. PERIOD. If another nation doesn’t like that alliance, that does NOT justify a "preemptive invasion". ALSO PERIOD. Putin is a pig.
Seriously, trying to draw out reducto ad absurdum argument through a fictitious parallelism? If you want to be an apologist for a pig, then just say so. Are you inferring that US is SAME as Russia by your question/post?
I wasn’t … because I was duped (unintentionally, or intentionally) … and then I was. Hindsight is 20/20. I wanted us out of there LONG before we actually got out. As soon as it became clear that Saddam Hussein's threat of WMD was hollow, which admittedly took a couple of years to determine, I realized that we had made a big mistake. I understood the rationale behind the decision to invade Iraq, and I let that sway me into supporting it. But then that rationale turned out to be flawed, so it became unjustifiable. If killing young Americans (first and foremost) along with thousands of others isn’t justifiable, then it’s a moral wrong. Iraq was a huge mistake.
That was exactly my sequence of feelings on it. I was cheering the first night we started blowing stuff up out there. Two years later I feel totally duped. I kept waiting for the WMD's we had all been told about. I don't trust anything our government spews out anymore. I mean nothing! Not from either party. They are all nothing but corrupt liars.The Annoyed Man wrote: Sun Mar 27, 2022 8:23 amI wasn’t … because I was duped (unintentionally, or intentionally) … and then I was. Hindsight is 20/20. I wanted us out of there LONG before we actually got out. As soon as it became clear that Saddam Hussein's threat of WMD was hollow, which admittedly took a couple of years to determine, I realized that we had made a big mistake. I understood the rationale behind the decision to invade Iraq, and I let that sway me into supporting it. But then that rationale turned out to be flawed, so it became unjustifiable. If killing young Americans (first and foremost) along with thousands of others isn’t justifiable, then it’s a moral wrong. Iraq was a huge mistake.
I no longer support invasions where the root justification is false. If we can’t KNOW with 100% certainty that a country is an existential threat to ourselves, then we have no freaking business invading it. Period. We are not the world's police. This has nothing to do with my support for our boots-on-the-ground warfighters who served in Iraq, who I think performed magnificently, and who did their duty as ordered to by their command structure. But they too deserved better.
Putin's rationale for invading Ukraine is even flimsier than ours was for invading Iraq.
So much this. ^^^03Lightningrocks wrote: Sun Mar 27, 2022 8:28 amThat was exactly my sequence of feelings on it. I was cheering the first night we started blowing stuff up out there. Two years later I feel totally duped. I kept waiting for the WMD's we had all been told about. I don't trust anything our government spews out anymore. I mean nothing! Not from either party. They are all nothing but corrupt liars.The Annoyed Man wrote: Sun Mar 27, 2022 8:23 amI wasn’t … because I was duped (unintentionally, or intentionally) … and then I was. Hindsight is 20/20. I wanted us out of there LONG before we actually got out. As soon as it became clear that Saddam Hussein's threat of WMD was hollow, which admittedly took a couple of years to determine, I realized that we had made a big mistake. I understood the rationale behind the decision to invade Iraq, and I let that sway me into supporting it. But then that rationale turned out to be flawed, so it became unjustifiable. If killing young Americans (first and foremost) along with thousands of others isn’t justifiable, then it’s a moral wrong. Iraq was a huge mistake.
I no longer support invasions where the root justification is false. If we can’t KNOW with 100% certainty that a country is an existential threat to ourselves, then we have no freaking business invading it. Period. We are not the world's police. This has nothing to do with my support for our boots-on-the-ground warfighters who served in Iraq, who I think performed magnificently, and who did their duty as ordered to by their command structure. But they too deserved better.
Putin's rationale for invading Ukraine is even flimsier than ours was for invading Iraq.
Iraq (Sadam) attempted to assassinate a former President of the United Stares. Bad luck for them his son became President.
Mostly, yes they are.03Lightningrocks wrote: Mon Mar 28, 2022 8:14 pm Are people really this stupid? He is taking credit for the jobs picking up in the year after the government put the whole economy on shut down.
Not much different than school boards or city councils claiming to lower your property taxes by lowering the rate, but still taking in an increased amount of revenue. Politicians will often massage "statistics" to defend their point of view.The Annoyed Man wrote: Mon Mar 28, 2022 10:49 pmMostly, yes they are.03Lightningrocks wrote: Mon Mar 28, 2022 8:14 pm Are people really this stupid? He is taking credit for the jobs picking up in the year after the government put the whole economy on shut down.
It made me want to throw up when I heard Biden bragging about the best employment increase in forty years. That POS even through in a jab at Donald Trump as if somehow Trump policies had messed things up. I considered firing a round at my TV.Flightmare wrote: Mon Mar 28, 2022 11:56 pmNot much different than school boards or city councils claiming to lower your property taxes by lowering the rate, but still taking in an increased amount of revenue. Politicians will often massage "statistics" to defend their point of view.The Annoyed Man wrote: Mon Mar 28, 2022 10:49 pmMostly, yes they are.03Lightningrocks wrote: Mon Mar 28, 2022 8:14 pm Are people really this stupid? He is taking credit for the jobs picking up in the year after the government put the whole economy on shut down.
My wife and I talked about this and we are concerned. It seems that the so called "world leaders" are the ones who should all be in jail and it is sobering to think than anyone in their right mind actually believes their transparent lies or falls for their distractions.03Lightningrocks wrote: Mon Mar 28, 2022 8:14 pm The whole war situation is a replica of the movie, "Wag The Dog". We are all getting destroyed at gas pumps and grocery stores and all the MSM talks about is Ukraine.
Joe Biden bragged today about the increase in jobs and GDP as if he had something to do with it. Are people really this stupid? He is taking credit for the jobs picking up in the year after the government put the whole economy on shut down.