Re: Graham introduces background check bill with NRA backing
Posted: Fri Mar 08, 2013 10:49 am
NRA - where were they in the State of CA when they banned all sorts of stuff in the 90's?
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I'm sure the NRA was there, but you have state associations that must lobby the representatives or you can't get anything done. If your state association was not there, then the NRA would not be able to get any foot hold. That is why we are so lucking in Texas to have the TSRA PAC team we have who have built a great relationship with our legislators and have a solid voice in Austin. One of those main folks is our own Charles Cotton that has done more for us regaining gun rights in this state than anyone I know.texanjoker wrote:NRA - where were they in the State of CA when they banned all sorts of stuff in the 90's?
And antis argue that the way to fix that "loophole" is to (besides requiring an FFL and NICS to process every private transaction) to make it a criminal offense to fail to report a stolen firearm to the police. Well, the only way that particular "loophole" can be made relevant and enforceable is to require that the police know about all of your guns, and the only way to fix that "loophole" is to require universal registration. And the only way to implement universal registration is to fix another "loophole" by mandating zero grandfathering of currently owned firearms, so that all previously purchased firearms are accounted for in the national registry. And the only way to enforce the addition of privately owned firearms to the national registry is to pass a law temporarily suspending the 4th Amendment and conducting involuntary door to door searches to account for those firearms. Then that "suspension of the 4th" law will be used as a precedent so that all homes can be swept for any other kind of projectile weapon such as compound bows and crossbows (sportsmen and hunters will be allowed to keep their old long-bows, but they can only have 3 arrows in the home). And finally, that law will be used to justify the installation of video monitoring equipment in each home, linked to Fusion Centers, to make sure that you don't have any steak knives with pointy tips.JALLEN wrote:Like almost all proposals aimed at "doing something," this one doesn't seem to promise any real effectiveness.
This law won't stop "some dude" who stole my pistol from selling it to the perp who got caught with it, having bought it for $200, no background check, no paperwork, no ten day wait, probably not even a cancelled check. The perp was good and ineligible, underaged, a prison record already. They weren't going to use an FFL, NICS or any other formality, and don't give a flip what the Legislature wants, Congress wants or anything else.
This and similar transactions, the ones we really do want to stop, will go on unimpeded, while some otherwise lawful transfers will be stopped.
I was there. There simply weren't enough of us California voters who cared to stop that stuff. You can't blame it on the NRA. That would be an irrational accusation. That was entirely the fault of the neocoms in California government, and the dumbing down of California's educational system—now one of the very worst in the country, when it used to be among the very best.texanjoker wrote:NRA - where were they in the State of CA when they banned all sorts of stuff in the 90's?
I seriously doubt that feinsteins rhetoric will discredit her with too many in the senate. The majority of them are exactly like her, some more obvious than others.Keith B wrote:
No, this is the senator (singular) who thinks this way. Admittedly there are a few others on her boat, but overall this type or rhetoric will cause her discredit with her peers.
One of the things you need to think about is your level of fear. It seems you believe everyone is in cahoots and they are all out to take us down. While there are several in the anti-gun crowd in Washington than have been able to gain traction by sensationalizing the Newtown shootings, reasonable legislation can be implemented and the ludicrous over the top gun-grab bills can be blocked. To do this you must keep a level head and not get in a Chicken Little mode running around yelling 'The sky is falling'. Take off your tin hats, look logically at the pending legislation (which is a threat for sure), approach your representatives in a strong but business-like manner expressing your views and wants, and make sure your voice is heard as a level headed person and you are not perceived as some deranged gun-loving redneck
Aggie_engr wrote:I personally think we have enough firearms laws in this country. Do we really need any more? The answer is simply no.
It's called the Second Amendment. Or, as my Pop likes to call it, The Constitutional Reset Button. And every day that goes by brings us closer and closer to having to use it.suthdj wrote:Where is the ctrl-alt-delete buttons for this country only thing going to help it now is a good reboot. Sorry for the rant but I get tired of all the politics they play. just "geter done"
I know folks get a little hot under the collar when talking about the 2A but I must say if anyone believes that the gun grabbers will be happy with a few changes in the law well I think your spoon fell out of your cereal bowl. These folks want a total ban on firearms in this country & won't stop until they have it. The goal here is to start chipping away at our 2A very much like the ole float the pumpkin down the river trick. If they can get some stuff here they will be back & very soon right now just throwing wild punches trying to see where we're weak.anygunanywhere wrote:I read the whole article.KaiserB wrote:
I am sure the NRA appreciates you just reading the first paragraph.
I also posted more reasons for my objection, which, by the way, applies to all infringements and firearms regulations.
Congress has no constitutional authority to pass any firearms laws. None.
Furthermore, this allowing the federal government the authority to determine sanity or insanity, or whether or not someone can purchase, own, or carry firearms is in the extreme absurd.
The government in its present form can do NOTHING right. NOTHING!> I trust the federal govertnment with NOTHING. All three branches are corrupt and do not follow the Constitution at all unless it furthers their agenda of running this country into the ground, turning it into a socilaist mecca.
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Sir I too am an amateur when it comes to politics was a public servant a lot of my adult life now find as I'm getting older have to learn to bend a little more than I want. I may vent a little but when it comes time to listen I take my lead from people like Mr Cotton who has done a lot more for our gun rights than I could have ever done seems he's right a whole lot more than wrong.mojo84 wrote:Sometimes throwing the anti-gun crowd a bone will help sway public opinion and perception that at least something is being done. At this point, it is easy for the anti-gun crowd to sway the less informed less interested emotionally driven public their way.
I don't think anyone believes this will satisfy their objectives but it may help strengthen the pro 2nd Amendment position.
Then again, I am a complete amateur in the politics arena and am doing my best to learn how the game is played as we go.
Now that's funnyZoo wrote:Conservatives need better marketing. Instead of being simple and straightforward by calling it Voter ID, we should have sold it as closing the dead voter loophole and stopping high capacity assault hollow votes.