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Abraham wrote:I recognize ole Tex Grebner leg that he shot with a 1911.

As an unintended comedian he's hilarious, as a professional gun guy, he's not...

Yeah ol' Tex is a consummate professional, "After I shot myself, my training took over. I called 911 and screamed son of a goose, I done shot myself."

At least he was honest enough to admit what was crystal clear in the slow motion segment - he put his booger hook on the bang switch. He even did himself the favor of clicking off the safety right before he did so. The only good thing is that he wasn't shooting over a gas pipeline. With his luck, he probably would have blown himself up. Gotta love ol' Tex.

Old Tex isn't really a Texan, but has a "Texas Vibe" he felt in high school - I think he's from Illinois.

After shooting himself in leg, he also said, right after his "training" kicked in, he called his Mom.

BTW, I looked at his website today and wonder of wonders he no longer has "moobs", but still has his trademark, molester sounding voice and presence...

He's actually lean now.

Who'd a thunk it?

jmra wrote:What you are saying is in your opinion it happens more with striker fired pistols because you have failed to produce any evidence whatsoever to establish your opinion as fact.
This is how someone shoots themselves with a pistol with a manual safety - unlike others I am not blaming the weapon, this is all on the person handling the weapon.
I do however expect to hear you start using the term Kimber Leg.
[video]http://youtu.be/zYvAxLX6OzE[/video]

Did that happen while reholstering? Nope happened in the act of firing which I'd different than bolstering. It's funny how we put things in place to help the fallibility of humans but where striker fired pistols are concerned less is better, LOL.

Right2Carry wrote:

jmra wrote:What you are saying is in your opinion it happens more with striker fired pistols because you have failed to produce any evidence whatsoever to establish your opinion as fact.
This is how someone shoots themselves with a pistol with a manual safety - unlike others I am not blaming the weapon, this is all on the person handling the weapon.
I do however expect to hear you start using the term Kimber Leg.
[video]http://youtu.be/zYvAxLX6OzE[/video]

Did that happen while reholstering? It's funny how we put things in place to help the fallibility of humans but where striker fired pistols are concerned less is better, LOL.

What does reholstering have to do with anything? We are talking about gun safety.
BTW: Do you think someone who doesn't clear a firearm before attempting to disassemble it should own a gun?

jmra wrote:

Right2Carry wrote:

jmra wrote:What you are saying is in your opinion it happens more with striker fired pistols because you have failed to produce any evidence whatsoever to establish your opinion as fact.
This is how someone shoots themselves with a pistol with a manual safety - unlike others I am not blaming the weapon, this is all on the person handling the weapon.
I do however expect to hear you start using the term Kimber Leg.
[video]http://youtu.be/zYvAxLX6OzE[/video]

Did that happen while reholstering? It's funny how we put things in place to help the fallibility of humans but where striker fired pistols are concerned less is better, LOL.

What does reholstering have to do with anything? We are talking about gun safety.
BTW: Do you think someone who doesn't clear a firearm before attempting to disassemble it should own a gun?

What does 1911s or DA pistols have to do with a thread about striker fired weapons and safety? I know you want to deflect from the topic at hand but really?

Why is reholstering mentioned? See below.

[youtube]http://youtube.com/watch?v=K_7f9GCJL4g[/youtube]

Drawstrings would this have happened with a grip safety?

[youtube]http://youtube.com/watch?v=FrJMQupYxaw[/youtube]

Pulling the trigger while disassembling a Glock for cleaning, BANG. Would this have happened if pulling the trigger wasn't required?

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I could go on and on but I think by now you get the point.

lildave4 wrote:Worded well thank you. I carry a lc9 that has a very long pull. What do you recommend as a replacement for a beginner?

TVGuy is correct, a full sized G19 is a good entry weapon if you're thinking about going with Glocks. Enough weight toward the fore end to tame it's recoil a tad, and 9mm is a decent (not what I prefer) general use round. I carry a G23, mid sized.

FWIW, my sister who had pretty much shot rifles exclusively bought a G26 as her first pistol after my BIL died. She wanted a good carry pistol and was going to get her CHL in VA. When I went through, we dedicated a day to loading, unloading, take down and reassembly, safety and tactical considerations unique to her situation. We then went out to the back of her property and ran a hundred rounds through her G26 and a dead tree (TAM has seen the pictures). I could cover the pattern with my fist. She then signed up for both an NRA course and a citizen's police academy through the local sheriff's office. The NRA instructor told her that the Glock was not a good first gun for a woman. I asked her what she did, she said she center punched the target...multiple times. Point being, I wouldn't recommend a sub compact as your first Glock but if you have the budget for one then buy the one you will carry.

Safety: My dad used to say, "A loaded gun never accidently shot anyone." When I asked him about it he said it was always the "unloaded" ones that "accidently" shot people. Treat every gun as loaded until you visualize it as clear. I think that's been said a few times in this thread.

Glock Accidents: Yeah, I've seen lots of videos with lots of different guns and ALL were due to negligence. I have dropped mine twice, fought the urge to try to catch it and had ne'er a problem. I have been on probably hundreds of shooting calls, several were NDs. This is anecdotal but I never ran on an ND that was a Glock. I ran on shotguns, revolvers, Taurus, Rugers and two 1911's as NDs. One blew a 1" hole through his foot and one emasculated himself.

Added in Edit: Why bring 1911's and other guns into it? The assertion is that Glocks and other striker fired are inherently dangerous by design and statistically are involved in more NDs than other types of hand guns. An assertion which has not been supported by anything more than rhetoric at this point.

About squeezing the trigger before take down with Glocks. The reason that is necessary is it is supposed to be cycled to clear the chamber prior to beginning the process. That step follows dropping the mag of course, otherwise you just reloaded the pistol. FWIW, the only safe way to de-cock a 1911 is to drop the mag and clear the chamber first. For those so designed as to not require squeezing the trigger, you're supposed to drop the mag and cycle the action to clear the chamber. Do we see a pattern here?

McLennan County jail had an ND from a LEO reholstering, got his keys caught in the trigger guard.

Right2Carry wrote: I could go on and on but I think by now you get the point.

We do. You get your concepts of gun safety from watching YouTube. Good luck.

ShootDontTalk wrote:

Right2Carry wrote: I could go on and on but I think by now you get the point.

We do. You get your concepts of gun safety from watching YouTube. Good luck.

Facts are hard to refute aren't they?

Right2Carry wrote:

ShootDontTalk wrote:

Right2Carry wrote: I could go on and on but I think by now you get the point.

We do. You get your concepts of gun safety from watching YouTube. Good luck.

Facts are hard to refute aren't they?

And someday you might actually get around to presenting some. In the meantime, I have to assume you're just trolling. Not worth another moments consideration.

News flash

HEAR YE, HEAR YE! GUNS ARE DANGEROUS WHEN HUMANS ARE INVOLVED REGARDLESS THE MANUAL OF ARMS!!!!!!

The trolls on this thread are getting old. There is no use arguing with somebody who is not providing a legit argument. Bottom line: The equipment is not to blame, the user is. I believe using only glock style handguns has made me a safer shooter. I practice extreme safety whenever I holster. I don't rely on a "manual" safety to keep me safe, I rely on me to keep me safe, and that is the most important safety of all, vigilance. If you can't accept that, then please just move on and troll another thread.

Good points JMRA and SDT! Ya'll always make it fun to keep up with these threads.

Charlies.Contingency wrote: Good points JMRA and SDT! Ya'll always make it fun to keep up with these threads.

Thanks. As for me, it is surprising that there are people on this forum with such views about gun safety. I've always been a stickler about safety, but since the M1A incident I've become passionate. I guess we'll always have to suffer with the trolls.

BTW your comments are right on target.