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Is there a common available FMJ round that closely matches 9mm NATO. rounds. I normally shoot WWB but I suspect they are under powered compared to military rated combat rounds. What weight mullet does our military use in its combat rounds.

9mm NATO A detailed list from TM 43-0001-27 "Army Ammunition Data Sheets
Small Caliber Ammuntion"

Cartridge, 9mm, Ball

Use:

Modified M3 Submachine Gun or commercial weapons (The use in M9 pistolis not
authorized.)The cartridge is designed for use against personnel.

Description:

BALL.

Weight - 182 grains
Length - 1.169 inches
Primer - Percussion
Propellant - Commercial
Charge - Meet ballistic requirements
Projectile Weight - 115 grains
Chamber Pressure - 38,500 psi avg., 43,000 psi maximum
Velocity - 1125 fps, 15 feet from muzzle


Cartridge, 9mm, Ball, NATO, M882

Use:

M9 pistol.The cartridge is designed for use against personnel.
Description:

BALL. Identified by a plain bullet tip.

Weight - 179 grains
Length - 1.165 inches
Primer - Percussion
Propellant - HPC 6
Charge - 6 grains
Projectile Weight - 112 grains
Chamber Pressure - 31,175 psi avg., 36,250 psi maximum
Velocity - 1263fps, 15 feet from muzzle

Other pistol loads include:

M905 High Pressure Test. (Identified by a timmed cartridge case and HPT on
headstamp. WARNING! These loads are in excess of 50,000 psi when fired.)

keying off the specs listed by nuparadigm , here is an article and some charts that might put you in the ballpark. +P and +P+ really don't approach full on machine gun ammo, but they are representative of handgun ballistics.

It looks like the M882 or a commercial equivalent is what I'm looking for. I am a little surprised that it is such a wimpy load.

lrb111 wrote:keying off the specs listed by nuparadigm , here is an article and some charts that might put you in the ballpark. +P and +P+ really don't approach full on machine gun ammo, but they are representative of handgun ballistics.

Link? Please..
Thanks

Is there a typo in those numbers? I always assumed the "Machine gun" loads were hotter than the pistol loads. WWB chron's at 1195 fps in a G34 which matches the M3 loads.

6.5 gr of Power Pistol with a 115gr bullet matches the M882 load.

Information can be found at:
http://www.inetres.com/gp/military/infa ... _ammo.html
Gary's U.S. Infantry Weapons Guide. His source is TM 43-0001-27 Army Ammunition Data Sheets For Small Caliber Ammunition.

If you wish, you may download the TM at:
http://www.ammoinfo.com/modules.php?nam ... load&cid=5

Liberty wrote:Is there a common available FMJ round that closely matches 9mm NATO. rounds. I normally shoot WWB but I suspect they are under powered compared to military rated combat rounds. What weight mullet does our military use in its combat rounds.

I guess if you could find a 124gn +P then it would be the same ~ the problem I don't know of any FMJ +P's (only HP).
Why not just get some Nato rounds ~ they are available but hard to find.
You may want to shoot a similar HP or just a normal power 124gn such as Lawman 124gn.
I like the Nato for my Beretta CX4 (I have accumulated about 4K ~ luckily).
I would use a HP for self defense.

Liberty wrote:

lrb111 wrote:keying off the specs listed by nuparadigm , here is an article and some charts that might put you in the ballpark. +P and +P+ really don't approach full on machine gun ammo, but they are representative of handgun ballistics.

Link? Please..
Thanks

proving once a gain that a mind is a terrible thing to have wasted. sorry.

http://www.glockworld.com/articles/9mmhistory.htm

smschulz wrote:

Liberty wrote:Is there a common available FMJ round that closely matches 9mm NATO. rounds. I normally shoot WWB but I suspect they are under powered compared to military rated combat rounds. What weight mullet does our military use in its combat rounds.

I guess if you could find a 124gn +P then it would be the same ~ the problem I don't know of any FMJ +P's (only HP).
Why not just get some Nato rounds ~ they are available but hard to find.
You may want to shoot a similar HP or just a normal power 124gn such as Lawman 124gn.
I like the Nato for my Beretta CX4 (I have accumulated about 4K ~ luckily).
I would use a HP for self defense.

Thanks for the info.
I own a Beretta P92, and I keep Federal Hydrashocks in it. The gun isn't really a carry weapon, but I'm interested in putting at least a few rounds that it was designed for through it.

Liberty

Check out Aim Surplus they have some avialable now.
It's a good load don't get me wrong ~I have about 4K now but I like it best for my carbine but my FS92 likes 'em but I don't give her the chance to enjoy that much.

http://www.aimsurplus.com/acatalog/New_Ammunition_.html

smschulz wrote:Liberty

Check out Aim Surplus they have some avialable now.
It's a good load don't get me wrong ~I have about 4K now but I like it best for my carbine but my FS92 likes 'em but I don't give her the chance to enjoy that much.

http://www.aimsurplus.com/acatalog/New_Ammunition_.html

Thanks Thanks, I'll put in an order tomorrow morning