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88.8% of Federal firearms offenders were already prohibitied from possessing a firearm

Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2022 9:24 am
by Paladin
Sentencing Commission Report on Guns Should Be Required Reading for Congress

What Do Federal Firearms Offenses Really Look Like?
The vast majority of firearms offenders (88.8%) sentenced under §2K2.1 (primary federal firearms guidelines) were prohibited from possessing a firearm.

• Prohibited persons include
offenders with a prior felony conviction
or status in another prohibited class,
such as aliens unlawfully in the United
States, fugitives from justice, or persons
who unlawfully use or are addicted to
controlled substances.
Want to reduce crime? Enforcing existing laws would be a start.

Re: 88.8% of Federal firearms offenders were already prohibitied from possessing a firearm

Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2022 9:31 am
by powerboatr
Paladin wrote: Wed Jul 27, 2022 9:24 am Sentencing Commission Report on Guns Should Be Required Reading for Congress

What Do Federal Firearms Offenses Really Look Like?
The vast majority of firearms offenders (88.8%) sentenced under §2K2.1 (primary federal firearms guidelines) were prohibited from possessing a firearm.

• Prohibited persons include
offenders with a prior felony conviction
or status in another prohibited class,
such as aliens unlawfully in the United
States, fugitives from justice, or persons
who unlawfully use or are addicted to
controlled substances.
Want to reduce crime? Enforcing existing laws would be a start.
excellent, but congress just doe snot care about truth or asking why laws are not enforced. simplicity is a strange animal to those critters

Re: 88.8% of Federal firearms offenders were already prohibitied from possessing a firearm

Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2022 12:31 pm
by Rafe
Paladin wrote: Wed Jul 27, 2022 9:24 am Sentencing Commission Report on Guns Should Be Required Reading for Congress

What Do Federal Firearms Offenses Really Look Like?
The vast majority of firearms offenders (88.8%) sentenced under §2K2.1 (primary federal firearms guidelines) were prohibited from possessing a firearm.

• Prohibited persons include
offenders with a prior felony conviction
or status in another prohibited class,
such as aliens unlawfully in the United
States, fugitives from justice, or persons
who unlawfully use or are addicted to
controlled substances.
Want to reduce crime? Enforcing existing laws would be a start.
I knew it had to be a high percentage, but I'll admit almost 90% surprised me. Wow.

Re: 88.8% of Federal firearms offenders were already prohibitied from possessing a firearm

Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2022 12:40 pm
by Paladin
These charts are striking:
ProhibitedPersons.jpg
AggravatingConduct.jpg
Essentially the worst violent criminals are prohibited persons who often have already prohibited weapons or stolen weapons. So what options remain are not new laws, but finding and imprisoning these people.

Re: 88.8% of Federal firearms offenders were already prohibitied from possessing a firearm

Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2022 1:20 pm
by Rafe
So, let me get this straight. Of the gun crimes that were prosecuted in FY 2021, 88.8% of the perpetrators were classified as a prohibited person. Even my little brain can understand--so I'd think most politicians also should be able to understand--that existing laws, laws already on the books, mean that it was already and patently illegal for the person to touch a firearm in the first place. Who'd have thought?

That 88.8% of prohibited people included 2.9% who are illegal aliens and 1.2% who were under felony indictment. And a whopping 79% were already convicted felons.

Well, the obvious solution then, as Bloomberg and Pelosi and Schumer have said all along, is to institute universal background checks, close the gun show loophole, and make an arbitrary classification of semi-automatic firearms into prohibited weapons! No-brainer!

But wait. Laws that already exist are, clearly, being broken by--surprise!--people that break the law. And the data goes on to tell us that 32.4% of the guns recovered in 2021 crimes were stolen firearms and/or had the serial numbers filed off. Say it ain't so! All good radical-lib-leftists have been preaching for years that crime is all about the gun show loophole! How can almost a third of all gun crimes prosecuted involve firearms that were stolen and had their serial numbers purposely removed? Further, an additional 3.1% of those guns were specifically tracked to illegal black-market trafficking of stolen guns?

Sorry, what? You say almost one-fourth of all guns used in those 2021 crimes were already considered prohibited weapons under the law in the jurisdictions where the crimes were committed? That simply can't be true. That would mean criminals are ignoring all our existing laws anyway, and that they won't give a rat's royal derrière if new laws come down from the Hill.

Violent criminal actors will just keep on breaking every law on the books until we start enforcing those laws and putting some teeth into that enforcement? Radical new laws that subvert and sabotage the 2nd Amendment of the Constitution of the United States will simply take common firearms out of the hands of law-abiding citizens and leave those citizens defenseless against a national rising sea of violent crime?

This is earthshaking news. It's going to take a while to sink in...
:banghead:

Re: 88.8% of Federal firearms offenders were already prohibitied from possessing a firearm

Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2022 3:33 pm
by anygunanywhere
Rafe wrote: Wed Jul 27, 2022 1:20 pm So, let me get this straight. Of the gun crimes that were prosecuted in FY 2021, 88.8% of the perpetrators were classified as a prohibited person. Even my little brain can understand--so I'd think most politicians also should be able to understand--that existing laws, laws already on the books, mean that it was already and patently illegal for the person to touch a firearm in the first place. Who'd have thought?

That 88.8% of prohibited people included 2.9% who are illegal aliens and 1.2% who were under felony indictment. And a whopping 79% were already convicted felons.

Well, the obvious solution then, as Bloomberg and Pelosi and Schumer have said all along, is to institute universal background checks, close the gun show loophole, and make an arbitrary classification of semi-automatic firearms into prohibited weapons! No-brainer!

But wait. Laws that already exist are, clearly, being broken by--surprise!--people that break the law. And the data goes on to tell us that 32.4% of the guns recovered in 2021 crimes were stolen firearms and/or had the serial numbers filed off. Say it ain't so! All good radical-lib-leftists have been preaching for years that crime is all about the gun show loophole! How can almost a third of all gun crimes prosecuted involve firearms that were stolen and had their serial numbers purposely removed? Further, an additional 3.1% of those guns were specifically tracked to illegal black-market trafficking of stolen guns?

Sorry, what? You say almost one-fourth of all guns used in those 2021 crimes were already considered prohibited weapons under the law in the jurisdictions where the crimes were committed? That simply can't be true. That would mean criminals are ignoring all our existing laws anyway, and that they won't give a rat's royal derrière if new laws come down from the Hill.

Violent criminal actors will just keep on breaking every law on the books until we start enforcing those laws and putting some teeth into that enforcement? Radical new laws that subvert and sabotage the 2nd Amendment of the Constitution of the United States will simply take common firearms out of the hands of law-abiding citizens and leave those citizens defenseless against a national rising sea of violent crime?

This is earthshaking news. It's going to take a while to sink in...
:banghead:
The current crop of politicians in all three branches have no intention of prosecuting and putting away criminals.

THEIR SOLE PURPOSE AND INTENT IS TO ELIMINATE ALL OF OUR FREEDOMS AND BRING ABOUT SOCIALISM.

As soon as you understand this you will be ready to prepare.

There are no republicans and democrats.

There is only them and us.

Re: 88.8% of Federal firearms offenders were already prohibitied from possessing a firearm

Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2022 8:43 am
by OneGun
So, politicians need to replace gun control with criminal controls. So, easy, even a caveman can understand that. Just not Democrats.

Re: 88.8% of Federal firearms offenders were already prohibitied from possessing a firearm

Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2022 10:00 am
by Rafe
OneGun wrote: Thu Jul 28, 2022 8:43 am So, politicians need to replace gun control with criminal controls. So, easy, even a caveman can understand that. Just not Democrats.
Ah, but at a time when polling numbers show that fewer than 28% of all independent voters (and 5% of republicans, though I don't know who they could be) approve of the job Joe Biden's doing and, a real shock to the dems' systems, only 19% of Hispanics approve ("But...but we opened the border for you people...and Jill even called you 'Tacos' to show solidarity..."), the left needs all the votes they can get. One voting block--if/when they can get them to the polls--more reliably dem than any other demographic are...wait for it...criminals!

No self-respecting career (or wannabe career) criminal will ever vote for a conservative, tough-on-crime candidate. Ever. Local to state to federal. That's as certain as death, taxes, and Hunter Biden doing something stupid and/or shady.

So, no, criminal control is out. Violent criminals are an important cog in the radical left's machine. The ultimate goal is to make the populous as dependent on big government as possible. Fear has always been a big Machiavellian component. Take guns out of the hands of the law-abiding citizenry, give the criminal voting block leeway to do what they do without severe prosecution and punishment, and you instill a perpetual fear and dependence on Big Brother.

Maslow's hierarchy: the most important factor at the base of the pyramid is physiological need (air, water, food, shelter, energy, etc.). Control the economy, control the supply chain, control the energy, and you make the people dependent on the government. Maslow's second most important level is safety. Machiavelli might say, "Keep the plebiscites dependent upon you for their safety; keep them afraid of consequences if they don't have your government to protect them. This also has the vital benefit that a weak populous is one that cannot rise up against you."

I'm depressing myself. I'm going to go back to reading all the ways that the administration is trying to change the definition of "recession"...