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I hope you are wrong.Beiruty wrote: Fri Sep 23, 2022 1:09 am Those issues would rectify in the next 10 yrs.
There is no return back to ICE. By 2035 no new ICE can be sold in CA (and possibly more states too)
Expect Hydrogen to come back strong, in addition to new battery storage technologies that emphasis safety and sustainability (recycling).
IMHO, it is an opportunity to reclaim leadership in US car industry.
Last week on Fox there was an interview with someone from the energy/utilities side. He made a statement to the effect that in order to produce projected energy requirements via the Green New Deal methods, over 150,000 square miles in CONUS would have to be devoted to solar panels. That would be almost 5% of the entire area of CONUS. By comparison, Texas is 261,914 square miles, California is 155,973, and New York State is 47,224. Another comparison is that the area required would be greater than that of all these states combined:2farnorth wrote: Fri Sep 23, 2022 6:11 am I see valuable farm land being taken out of production to set up massive "Solar farms" that will only generate 1/4 of what the current power plants generate in this area. I think it is a bad dream.
Renewable energy is not the solution. Next generation Nuclear fusion energy is. The race is on.Rafe wrote: Fri Sep 23, 2022 9:51 amLast week on Fox there was an interview with someone from the energy/utilities side. He made a statement to the effect that in order to produce projected energy requirements via the Green New Deal methods, over 150,000 square miles in CONUS would have to be devoted to solar panels. That would be almost 5% of the entire area of CONUS. By comparison, Texas is 261,914 square miles, California is 155,973, and New York State is 47,224. Another comparison is that the area required would be greater than that of all these states combined:2farnorth wrote: Fri Sep 23, 2022 6:11 am I see valuable farm land being taken out of production to set up massive "Solar farms" that will only generate 1/4 of what the current power plants generate in this area. I think it is a bad dream.
Combined, those equal 136,147 square miles. And that doesn't count the Green New Deal area needed for wind farms.
- Maine
- South Carolina
- West Virginia
- Maryland
- Vermont
- New Hampshire
- Massachusetts
- New Jersey
- Connecticut
- Delaware
- Rhode Island
Although, if we could empty California and turn the whole state into nothing but a field of solar panels...
Beiruty wrote: Fri Sep 23, 2022 10:08 am Renewable energy is not the solution. Next generation Nuclear fusion energy is. The race is on.
There can certainly be some augmentation from renewable energy forms, but to me the only logical direction is a suitably lengthy R&D and transition plan--2035 full-transition plans are pipedreams unless we want to destroy the US economy; we need to be looking at a 50-year horizon, not 10--with short-term prioritization given to much cleaner global fuel refining (US-produced gasoline is about a 30% cleaner process than that used even by the Saudis, much less Russia and China), and improvement of techniques and safety of using fission technologies. But, yes. We need to be focusing on getting to fusion.
:So here is a question: what is going to change to allow nuclear energy in any scale? Let's remember that those behind all of the Green Energy are the same ones who thought that the CFL was so great an idea that it had to be crammed down the throats of the entire country. I don't see any rational thinking in any of this and do not believe the purpose of any of it is to actually do what they are saying that they want.Beiruty wrote: Fri Sep 23, 2022 10:08 am [
Renewable energy is not the solution. Next generation Nuclear fusion energy is. The race is on.
Yeah, the same idiots who blocked nuclear power plants from becoming common and replacing coal/oil electric generation are still steering the ship full speed ahead into iceberg seas with no lookouts.chasfm11 wrote: Fri Sep 23, 2022 11:30 amSo here is a question: what is going to change to allow nuclear energy in any scale? Let's remember that those behind all of the Green Energy are the same ones who thought that the CFL was so great an idea that it had to be crammed down the throats of the entire country. I don't see any rational thinking in any of this and do not believe the purpose of any of it is to actually do what they are saying that they want.Beiruty wrote: Fri Sep 23, 2022 10:08 am [
Renewable energy is not the solution. Next generation Nuclear fusion energy is. The race is on.
We could have had current technology nuclear energy on the same scale as France and saved billions of barrels of oil and yet it wasn't allowed. The "three mile island" argument has been weak in the knees since they started it. I don't see this as any different than the gun culture versus the anti-gunners argument. We have solid evidence that concealed carry license holders are not a threat to society and yet the anti-gunners cling to "the existence of guns is a threat." How is that any different that the overwhelming evidence of the U.S. Navy use of nuclear energy for a very long time versus the cry "nuclear energy is a threat." Fusion/fission isn't a discussion if the premise of nuclear never is allowed.
Grayling813 wrote: Fri Sep 23, 2022 12:15 pmYeah, the same idiots who blocked nuclear power plants from becoming common and replacing coal/oil electric generation are still steering the ship full speed ahead into iceberg seas with no lookouts.chasfm11 wrote: Fri Sep 23, 2022 11:30 amSo here is a question: what is going to change to allow nuclear energy in any scale? Let's remember that those behind all of the Green Energy are the same ones who thought that the CFL was so great an idea that it had to be crammed down the throats of the entire country. I don't see any rational thinking in any of this and do not believe the purpose of any of it is to actually do what they are saying that they want.Beiruty wrote: Fri Sep 23, 2022 10:08 am [
Renewable energy is not the solution. Next generation Nuclear fusion energy is. The race is on.
We could have had current technology nuclear energy on the same scale as France and saved billions of barrels of oil and yet it wasn't allowed. The "three mile island" argument has been weak in the knees since they started it. I don't see this as any different than the gun culture versus the anti-gunners argument. We have solid evidence that concealed carry license holders are not a threat to society and yet the anti-gunners cling to "the existence of guns is a threat." How is that any different that the overwhelming evidence of the U.S. Navy use of nuclear energy for a very long time versus the cry "nuclear energy is a threat." Fusion/fission isn't a discussion if the premise of nuclear never is allowed.
What were those engineers thinking?puma guy wrote: Fri Sep 23, 2022 5:21 pm Better store up some 'electricity for a rainy day. Or get some shock proof rubber boots. Shocking photo below.
doesn't look like it was in service.Hard to say. It is very near high power lines and it appears there are lights installed. Can't really see what's in the background , but it appears to be some sort of infrastructure, possibly a parking lot with lights. Like you I have to question the logic for choosing that site with no grade and drainage improvements. But the refinery I worked in allowed a major engineering and construction company do a 900 million dollar project that built one of my crude processing units three feet below grade. All my complaints went unheeded. The funniest error was during the renovation of our control room. They had sewer lines leaving it 18 inches below the existing sewer line for the area. In a meeting to solve that and some other issues, believe it or not, they were dumb struck as to a remedy. It was comical. I said how about a sump and lift pump? They reminded me of a police officer who found an empty .22 cartridge in my car when I was teenager. He held his flashlight on it and sniffing it said, "That's been fired!". I had a very hard time keeping a straight face and refraining from saying something about the absence of a bullet.
A younger person I showed this to said it was photoshopped.
I don't think so. That may be why they are so easily mislead. Here are two more photos of the site in Woking, UK. and a more recent photo from the prospective of the first photo I posted. Comment state the area flood regularly.philip964 wrote: Sat Sep 24, 2022 2:26 pmA younger person I showed this to said it was photoshopped.
I can’t tell now days as the photo shops are so good.
It does picture something to good to be true.
