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asked not to carry at a party?
Posted: Wed Oct 24, 2007 3:02 pm
by LedJedi
just wondering if any of you folks have ever run into this. I just had an interesting email exchange with a buddy of mine's new wife. I've been good friends with this guy since about 2002. He recently married, never got along with his wife, just not my kind of people, but he loves her so it abides.
we just had this exchange... and i'm... honestly just a bit beside myself. Anyone else ever run into anything like this?
probably want to read the quoted part from the bottom up. Starts with their invitation to us.
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From: Led Jedi
Date: Oct 24, 2007 2:48 PM
Subject: Re: Pumpkin Carving Party
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To: kate <
xxxxxx@xxxx.com>
Cc: Jedi's Wife, Kate's Husband
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hmmm, I'm a bit puzzled. It didn't seem to make much of a difference when the 45 was on my hip at the wedding.
i don't generally go anyplace i'm not allowed to express my constitutional rights if it can at all be avoided. it goes back to that whole, don't trust a govt (or anyone else) that doesn't trust me with a gun argument.
it's your party and your property so you set the rules, but it will be, respectfully, without us. Neither andrea nor myself are comfortable disarming without a very good reason.
thanks for the invite though, we appreciate the thought.
james and andrea.
On 10/24/07, kate <
xxxxxx@xxxx.com> wrote:
we are not comfortable having a gun in our house- just a preference.
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 14:06:51 -0500
From: Led Jedi
To:
xxxxxx@xxxx.com
Subject: Re: Pumpkin Carving Party
can i ask why?
On 10/24/07, kate <
xxxxxx@xxxx.com> wrote:
Feel free to invite your friends.
On a separate note, we would appreciate it if you would leave your gun in your car when you come to the party.
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 20:28:50 -0500
From: Led Jedi
To:
xxxxxx@xxxx.com
Subject: Re: FW: Pumpkin Carving Party
can i invite a buddy and his wife?
On 10/23/07, kate <
xxxxxx@xxxx.com> wrote:
From:
xxxxxx@xxxx.com
To:
xxxxxx@xxxx.com
Subject: Pumpkin Carving Party
Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 20:36:17 -0500
We hope you can make it!
Kate and Mark
[invitation to Halloween party as an attached document]
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Posted: Wed Oct 24, 2007 3:15 pm
by DoubleJ
well, james, I have actually run into this a few times. practically all of my friends know I carry, since they've been around since before I carried, it's hard to hide that fact.
anyway, I'da tol' her the same thing. be sure to let yer buddy know why, tho, since his wife will undoubtedly give him "her" side.
who knows, maybe he'll consent.
or better yet, ditch'er!
Posted: Wed Oct 24, 2007 3:16 pm
by AEA
Well.......this is close to home for me......
I have a Sister that is married and her Husband has asked a strange thing of me as well......
First let me say that both my Sister and her Husband were consulted long before I got my CHL. The Husband is from the Northern States and me and my Sister are from Texas. She and I have lived around guns all our lives although after she left home I guess she may have gotten away from them. My Dad always had a revolver in the headboard and it was in the glove box of the car whenever he went anywhere (regardless of the Laws). During the discussion about me getting a CHL and developing my Gun Collection, they were supportive and agreed with the logic.
After I got my CHL, one of the first places I went was to their house. Of course they wanted to see the gun and I obliged. All was good, until the Husband and I were sitting on the patio having a chat and he asked me not to carry my weapon when the grandkids were present in the house (they are very young). I was a bit shocked and of course could not understnad his logic, but it is his house and I agreed.
So, now when I go over there and I know the grandkids are going to be there, I leave my gun in the car when I enter the house. This is not because I believe any of what his logic might be and frankly I never ask him to explain it. I do it only out of respect for his premises.
Anyway, it has been 4 years and all is well....he actually is becoming interested in Guns and wants me to take him shooting!
I agree that if I was invited to a party such as you were and I was told to come unarmed by someone OTHER than Family, I would do exactly as you did. With the Family I have to make an exception though.
Posted: Wed Oct 24, 2007 3:18 pm
by LedJedi
HA! dont think that's going to happen.
I certainly did CC him on my response. she just emailed me and said she respects and regrets our decision...etc.
funny thing is... as of Nov 1, my buddy is also my new supervisor at a new job. .... very interesting.
Posted: Wed Oct 24, 2007 3:19 pm
by Kalrog
I think you handled it well. I'm not sure she is in a position to be educated at the moment (based on that emotional - just a preference thing), but be sure to jump on the opportunity if you ever get it.
Never had that happen to me though.
Posted: Wed Oct 24, 2007 3:26 pm
by Renegade
Never met any one like this, and if I do, our relationship will be brief.
I thought the comment "i don't generally go anyplace i'm not allowed to express my constitutional rights if it can at all be avoided", was a little on the silly side too.
Posted: Wed Oct 24, 2007 3:28 pm
by LedJedi
hmm, how so?
Renegade wrote:Never met any one like this, and if I do, our relationship will be brief.
I thought the comment "i don't generally go anyplace i'm not allowed to express my constitutional rights if it can at all be avoided", was a little on the silly side too.
Posted: Wed Oct 24, 2007 3:38 pm
by Renegade
LedJedi wrote:hmm, how so?
Renegade wrote:Never met any one like this, and if I do, our relationship will be brief.
I thought the comment "i don't generally go anyplace i'm not allowed to express my constitutional rights if it can at all be avoided", was a little on the silly side too.
My guess is you go a lot of places where you are not allowed to express your constitutional rights, like this forum (no profanity allowed on this forum even though it is your constitutional right to use profanity). So trying to make it a Consitutional right issue seems over the top, besides, you have NONE, ZERO, NADA Constitutional right to carry on gun in her home.
Posted: Wed Oct 24, 2007 3:45 pm
by shaggydog
Renegade wrote:even though it is your constitutional right to use profanity
Really?
Posted: Wed Oct 24, 2007 3:48 pm
by Renegade
shaggydog wrote:Renegade wrote:even though it is your constitutional right to use profanity
Really?
Yes.
Posted: Wed Oct 24, 2007 3:49 pm
by 5111
It would probably upset me enough that I wouldn't go anyhow. You probably handled it better than I would.
My brother's new wife is very much against guns and she knows that I carry at their house. I know that she wants to say something, but she also knows what my brother would say about it.
Posted: Wed Oct 24, 2007 3:51 pm
by LedJedi
yep, you're right. i'm not guaranteed the right to carry in their home. hence my word "express". I generally avoid places where i can't express my 2nd amendment right or any other constitutional rights if it can be avoided. There are exceptions... hence "generally".
I dont mind moderating my speech to be here. I do mind moderating my ability to carry. I avoid places i'm not allowed to if at all possible. I do sometimes still visit those places (like a courthouse, school, etc.) but i don't like to because i can't do so armed and i generally avoid them if possible.
If my statement implied to you that i thought i had some sort of right to carry in their house then i apologize for that miscommunication. That was not my intent in the least. But, i dont like going places that deny me the ability to "express" my right to carry or any other constitutional right. Thier house is one of those places (now it is anyway). The overall statement still stands.
it's a bit off topic anyway i guess. was just wondering if others had dealt with this before.
Renegade wrote:LedJedi wrote:hmm, how so?
Renegade wrote:Never met any one like this, and if I do, our relationship will be brief.
I thought the comment "i don't generally go anyplace i'm not allowed to express my constitutional rights if it can at all be avoided", was a little on the silly side too.
My guess is you go a lot of places where you are not allowed to express your constitutional rights, like this forum (no profanity allowed on this forum even though it is your constitutional right to use profanity). So trying to make it a Consitutional right issue seems over the top, besides, you have NONE, ZERO, NADA Constitutional right to carry on gun in her home.
Posted: Wed Oct 24, 2007 3:53 pm
by Renegade
LedJedi wrote:
I dont mind moderating my speech to be here. I do mind moderating my ability to carry. I avoid places i'm not allowed to if at all possible. I do sometimes still visit those places (like a courthouse, school, etc.) but i don't like to because i can't do so armed and i generally avoid them if possible.
If my statement implied to you that i thought i had some sort of right to carry in their house then i apologize for that miscommunication. That was not my intent in the least. But, i dont like going places that deny me the ability to "express" my right to carry or any other constitutional right. Thier house is one of those places (now it is anyway). The overall statement still stands.
Gotcha, we are on the same page.
Posted: Wed Oct 24, 2007 4:15 pm
by Dan20703
That is a tough one.
I always carry but very few people know this fact (one close friend and my immediate family). I want it kept a secret so this type of issue never comes up. All my friends know I hunt and shoot a variety of guns. I just don't let them know everything. I've carried at many neighborhood parties.
Posted: Wed Oct 24, 2007 4:22 pm
by shaggydog
Renegade wrote:shaggydog wrote:Renegade wrote:even though it is your constitutional right to use profanity
Really?
Yes.
I believe that right was resended by 9.42.01 of the Texas Penal Code.
