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Locked 24-7, how is that possible you ask? Just go down to Holmer Depot and purchase a new lock wirh a keypad. We put them front and back and every time you leave it locks behind. The you punch in 4 or 5 digit code and your back in. Even has a night light button. Plus our in laws can visit anytime.

They also offer the same in a deadbolt, you will have to push lock button when leaving because of the dead bolt design. We still have the reagular deadbolt which we use when were are away, kids at home, at night

Because we go back and forth to our buildings out back we can not say how much we love em. Deadbolts soon to come

Bill wrote:Plus our in laws can visit anytime.

Cause thats going to make me run right out and get some.

Interesting idea though. How much were they if you dont mind me askin?

If these locks only lock the handle, and don't send a deadbolt home, you're pretty vulnerable to a breakin at that point.

Locks that only lock the handle are trivial to overcome.

nitrogen wrote:If these locks only lock the handle, and don't send a deadbolt home, you're pretty vulnerable to a breakin at that point.

Locks that only lock the handle are trivial to overcome.

There are various types with widely varying capabilities. I found some at http://www.gokeyless.com/ that range in price from about $85 to about $700 and functionality almost as widely.

nitrogen wrote:Locks that only lock the handle are trivial to overcome.

Any locks can be defeted given enough time. I have always heard that Locks are there to keep honest people honest. If a BG wants your stuff bad enough he will find a way to by-pass locks.

it dont hurt to make it a little harder on them though.

Bill wrote: Just go down to Holmer Depot and purchase a new lock wirh a keypad..... ......Plus our in laws can visit anytime.

All the more reason to keep the locks I have!!!!!

Bill, thanks for sharing this information at the FP/AFP class last weekend. I ought to get some, that way I don't have to deal with leaving keys in the backdoor.

Plus our in laws can visit anytime.

Way to kill a sale, Bill.....

Wildscar wrote:

nitrogen wrote:Locks that only lock the handle are trivial to overcome.

Any locks can be defeted given enough time. I have always heard that Locks are there to keep honest people honest. If a BG wants your stuff bad enough he will find a way to by-pass locks.

it dont hurt to make it a little harder on them though.

There's levels to it though. The "pushbutton" locks cna be defeated with a credit card or similar tool, and don't create much noise or damage.

Deadbolts require either damage to the doorjam or bump-keying, which is considerably louder and might attract more attention.

I agree with your main premise here, though. As more theives are opportunists, making it as difficult as you can is always a good idea.

I did the reverse, I have a 3 year old that likes to get out and has trashed every gate we have purchased . I bought one of the electronic locks and put the code on the inside. now we have to code the lock to get out.

Keeps him in, once he gets old enough to understand we will flip it around and use it as intended.

Oh, there is a seperate dead bolt to lock the door.

Let me venture to point out that you should change your codes from time to time - Why, you ask?

Well, I have long and ancient experience with coded locks of the sort in question here, and can recalll walking up to ones that I did not know the code to and just studying the wear patter on the numbers to determine the approximate code, it was just a matter of quick trial and error after that. Changing the codes regularly has a tendency to spread the wear around.

And I can tell you tales of walking up to "secure" areas in the NY State Legislature and studying the door jamb to see where someone wrote the latest code because they couldn't remember it.

nitrogen wrote:If these locks only lock the handle, and don't send a deadbolt home, you're pretty vulnerable to a breakin at that point.

Locks that only lock the handle are trivial to overcome.

I dont care if you have steel doors with 2 inch thick deadbolts, windows break easy. I have seen many homes with high tech locks and solid doors with thick frames. They also have an easily broken window right next to it.

Of course I did not think they could not be defeated, but with deadbolts too its going to wake my little(big) ginger dog. Really just walking to the shop for five minutes its nice to know the door is somewhat secure. They were 129.00 and are built better than most keyed locks.
if you will install 3in #6 or 8 wood screws all around the jamb and have a good deadbolt it might be enough for the causal crack head. Every little bit helps and its pretty cheap

I thought about those push button door locks. In the end, I decided that if I purchase them, it would be for the convenience they provide. That's one less key I have to carry on me. If a BG really wants into my house, a fancy door lock won't stop a persistent criminal.

I still plan on getting one. I only held back because my son was still living with me. I'm sure he would have given the combo to his girlfriend who often comes to the house. The more people that know the combo, the more worthless they become.

There's also the option of RFID locks. Instead of a keypad, the lock contains an RFID sensor and comes with several key fobs for the lock. That way, you don't have codes spreading.

While the technology is defeatable, it is definitely not something a common criminal would be able to do, and much more difficult than dealing with tumbler locks.