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Texas State University concealed hand guns statement
Posted by Jayme Blaschke
University News Service
November 21, 2007


The priority of Texas State University-San Marcos is, first and foremost, the safety of our students, faculty and staff. The university does not believe that a campus with more guns is necessarily a safer campus.

Texas State takes the threat of active shooters seriously, and since 2002 has confronted that threat head-on through the Advanced Law Enforcement Rapid Response Training (ALERRT) Center on campus. More than 10,000 patrol officers have undergone training under ALERRT’s Active Shooter Program to safely and effectively respond to and stop an active shooter.
Texas State believes that effectively training and preparing law enforcement officers is the best way to deal with this new kind of terrorism that threatens our communities, and will continue to support the ALERRT mission.

The priority of Texas State University-San Marcos is, first and foremost, the safety of our students, faculty and staff. The university does not believe that a campus with more guns is necessarily a safer campus.

Of course it isnt, heck, what happened at Virginia Tech proves as much!

Idiots!


And dont you love the way this anti worded that last quote?

"The university does not believe that a campus with more guns is necessarily a safer campus."

Why couldnt it have been

"The university does not believe that a campus with guns in the hands of responsible and trained individuals is necessarily a safer campus."

Why? Because then it would be obvious that they are morons!

You don't expect state universities to suddenly decide it's OK for licensed private citizens to carry firearms on campus do you?

Baby steps... I believe we will win in the end but it's a very slow process.

Yup, i understand what your saying.

Just upsets me cuz i went to school there :(

The priority of Texas State University-San Marcos is, first and foremost, the safety of our students, faculty and staff.

If they really believed this, they would review the DPS statistics as to violent crime committed by CHL's in TX and conclude that allowing CHL's to carry on campus couldn't hurt and might actually help minimize casualties if a nutball tried to stage a mass shooting ala VT - or possibly deter such a sick act altogether.

Gee-willikers do I feel safe hearing that! Oh wait, but now I don't feel safe again because I remember that there is ONE Texas State police officer to every 9,300 of my fellow students. Most of them are grossly obese and can be seen eating tacos or smoking cigarettes throughout the day.

I'd rather have one City of Austin officer on campus than five gluttons. At least he might take his job seriously.

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EDIT: Looking at my post, I realized I sound a bit anti-LE, but I'm not at all. I respect what they do. While I respect their authority, though, I do not agree with what the Texas State University officers do.

Snake Doctor wrote:Gee-willikers do I feel safe hearing that! Oh wait, but now I don't feel safe again because I remember that there is ONE Texas State police officer to every 9,300 of my fellow students. Most of them are grossly obese and can be seen eating tacos or smoking cigarettes throughout the day.

I'd rather have one City of Austin officer on campus than five gluttons. At least he might take his job seriously.

Rather than smearing DPS troopers with a broad brush, what SHOULD concern you is that in the best of circumstances it will take them OR Austin cops several minutes to show up in an emergency.

And in those minutes, many people can be injured or killed by a crazed shooter like the infamous Cho of VT.

Allowing for CHL's to carry on campus would increase the likelihood that a armed CHL holder would be present on the spot when the shooting started, and in a position to nip it in the bud.

FWIW, I got pulled over for speeding by a DPS trooper recently. He was a young, fit guy who was also polite, professional, and courteous.

Frankie

I think he meant TSU police not DPS.

Most if not all DPS I have ever seen or been around were fit enough and are professional...even to the point of being friendly. Granted, I haven't been on the wrong side with them so my view is slightly skewed.

Campus police...hit or miss. Some are good, others are on a power trip, and some couldn't get out of their car if they had to. Pretty much like most professions...good, bad, and ugly.

It is going to take a State law to change carry on campuses. No administration is willing to take on the liability (real or perceived) of signing off on CHLs.

troglodyte wrote:Frankie

I think he meant TSU police not DPS.

Ah. My mistake.

But I think my premise still holds. Campus police will always take some amount of time to respond. Look at what happened at VT, right? In a case like that, a few minutes can literally be a lifetime.

An armed citizen can be on the spot and in a position to surprise the nutcase in a way that a uniformed cop cannot.

And the knowledge that a fair number of such armed citizens were routinely out and about could very well deter the nutcases altogether.

Some would say that you cannot deter a crazy person. And in some cases that may be so. But I believe that one of the motivations for people to commit these acts is the prospect of holding life-and-death power over a group of helpless victims. Take that away and most of the motivation is taken away with it.

That's why you never hear of someone shooting up a gun club or police station on one of these rampages. The idea of their "victims" shooting back spoils the fantasy.

And if the TSU authorities were honest about these things with themselves, as well as regards the near non-existent violent crime rate among CHL'ers, they would allow student/faculty/staff CHL'ers to carry on campus in a heartbeat.

Lesson after lesson and they just don't get it. And our kids are supposed to learn from those that won't?

OT, I had a polite debate with a DPS officer who was anti CHL and actually changed his mind! I'll lay it out here one of these days.

Don't forget that these schools look at the overall effect of allowing CCW's. If they allow them, they might lose students who are opposed to "evil guns". People who don't like the rules and own guns are more likely to attend than people who hate guns and don't like schools that allow them. Since guns are not allowed on campus now, it's more acceptable than if new laws permitting them were put into effect. Who knows, maybe more students would sign up if they were allowed to carry there. I know my kids would go there


To me, there's not much difference in allowing CCW's on a campus or grade school. There's surely no more value put on a younger life than an older one, but I'm sure the politicians involved in this look at a it as if they allow them on a college campus, grade schools are next.

frankie_the_yankee wrote:But I think my premise still holds. Campus police will always take some amount of time to respond.

Not only that, but the police may not intervene immediately.

Furthermore, the killer can go for the uniformed cop first.

And the knowledge that a fair number of such armed citizens were routinely out and about could very well deter the nutcases altogether.

It might turn them into bombers or snipers, but at least it would prevent the kind of mass slaughter that occurred at VT and Columbine.

I agree with those who are saying that it is going to take a state law to force administrators to allow any kind of weapons in the hands of non-LEOs, and probably that will apply only to public schools.

It's interesting that even the most conservative universities do not allow concealed carry. I just checked the web site of Liberty University. They completely prohibit firearms and other projectile weapons on campus.

- Jim

age_ranger wrote:Don't forget that these schools look at the overall effect of allowing CCW's. If they allow them, they might lose students who are opposed to "evil guns".

I don't think there's any negative effect like that. Every urban college campus has "evil guns" now in the hands of criminals.

I know people who are afraid of weapons, but they don't have 30.06 signs on their houses.

- Jim

My response...

"Prove it!"

Otherwise just come clean and be brutally honest that you people who run the show are a bunch of lilly-livered hoplophobes who would rather crawl into a fetal position and beg for mercy at the sight of a gun...

Then we can all go to the table with clear intentions...

Geesh, I saw a football game this last week with more honesty and courage than these types of people...On both sides of the field!

Gig 'em!!! Whoop!

Its too bad those in the position to make these decisions arent of like mind as we are here.

Best we can hope fore is that nothing like VT happens again, or laws change so that others can protect themselves on campus as they do off campus.

frankie_the_yankee wrote:

The priority of Texas State University-San Marcos is, first and foremost, the safety of our students, faculty and staff.

If they really believed this, they would review the DPS statistics as to violent crime committed by CHL's in TX and conclude that allowing CHL's to carry on campus couldn't hurt and might actually help minimize casualties if a nutball tried to stage a mass shooting ala VT - or possibly deter such a sick act altogether.

SWTS class of 83