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Les Baer 1911's

Posted: Mon Dec 03, 2007 6:50 pm
by AFJailor
I have been looking a lot lately at Les Baers pistols. I have heard nothing but good things about them and his customer service. The Thunder ranch special (full size) and the stainless concept 8 have really peeked my interest. I know a few of you guys have some of his firearms and was wanting a few opinions if I could. I'm leaning towards getting a 1911 for carry but also having a great target/home defense gun would be nice as well. Any and all opinions on what firearm you would pick or your opinion of the Les Baer you own are more than welcome.

I have also looked a lot at Kimber's higher end weapons, but from what I have read online they really dont compare.

Posted: Mon Dec 03, 2007 7:06 pm
by Moonpie
They are one of the finest 1911's you can buy.
Never seen one that had any trouble.
Very accurate.
You couldn't go wrong with one.

Posted: Mon Dec 03, 2007 7:24 pm
by KinnyLee
Moonpie wrote:They are one of the finest 1911's you can buy.
Never seen one that had any trouble.
Very accurate.
You couldn't go wrong with one.
+1 :cool:

Posted: Mon Dec 03, 2007 9:42 pm
by flintknapper
Moonpie wrote:They are one of the finest 1911's you can buy.
Never seen one that had any trouble.
Very accurate.
You couldn't go wrong with one.

http://forums.1911forum.com/forumdisplay.php?f=34

Posted: Mon Dec 03, 2007 10:34 pm
by HankB
I have a variation on the Les Baer Premier II which I purchased (very) slightly used; mine has a shrouded MMC adjustable rear sight instead of the BoMar clone.

Initially the front sight was a little too high - I ran out of adjustment on the sight - so I carefully filed it down so my standard handload (230 LRN at ball velocity) would shoot to point of aim.

My pistol has been totally reliable and has proven to be exceptionally accurate. Though not really a "problem" I've found that the Baer brand shock buffer washers are not very durable; Wilsons last longer and seem to do about as well.

The only firsthand accounts of a problem I've heard from anyone shooting a Baer pistol involved Wolf ammo; after 500 rounds, lacquer from the cases builds up in the chamber and has to be cleaned out. (Lacquer thinner works well . . . duh.) And the guy who told me this said he broke an ejector sometime during his third case of Wolf; notwithstanding the fact that the USA used steel cases for .45 ammo during WWII, he blamed the Wolf lacquered steel cases.

If I ever buy another 1911, I expect it will be a Baer.

Posted: Mon Dec 03, 2007 11:59 pm
by mkim1120
les baers is something everyone should get and add to their collection

Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2007 8:18 am
by TX Rancher
I currently have a Les Baer Stinger that I often use for carry. It’s smaller than a full sized (it’s ~ commander size) so it’s relatively easy to conceal.

All the parts are hand fitted and are identified with a number associated with that particular weapon. This is one tight weapon…absolutely no slop anywhere. When you shake this pistol nothing rattles!

The accuracy is simply unbelievable with good ammunition.

The feel of the weapon is fantastic, and the trigger is the best I’ve ever pulled.

As for feeding it ammo, it’s proven itself to be ultra-reliable. I’ve feed it top of the line carry, middle of the road practice ammo (such as Win White Box), and home-grown reloads and it’s never skipped a beat.

I’ve taken it to several classes, all ~ 1,000 rounds, and not one failure during a class. One of those classes was a two day course and it rained non-stop the entire time. It went from drizzle to monsoon back to drizzle for two solid days. I fired both days, did not clean the weapon, and did not have one hiccup.

But his operation is still a business, and flaws do make it out of the factory…

When I received mine, the finish work on the hammer had not been completed, and the first time I cocked the hammer I came away with a nasty cut on my thumb. The machining process had left an edge that ran along the whole side of the hammer that was razor sharp. Evidently his technicians missed finishing the work.

It wasn’t a big thing, and I just got out my equipment and finished the hammer. It’s now baby smooth and functions fine.

I then took it out to my backyard range to get familiar with it. Well, it was a joy to shoot…at least it was for the first ~50-60 rounds. Then this remarkable trigger started requiring probably 20Lbs trigger pull to drop the hammer.

I broke it down to see what was wrong, and found a broken sear. It looked like the sear was poorly manufactured.

Pop in another sear, back to the range, and I’ve never had to look back since…and that was ~3 years ago.

I have no doubt that both those issues would have been repaired with no hassle by the manufacturer since they seem to have excellent customer service. It was just faster for me to take care of them on my own…patience has never been listed as one of my strong suits. ;-)

So the message is mistakes can make it out of his factory. Both the hammer and sear issues would have been easy to spot, so there are some holes in his inspection processes. But that’s going to be true for just about any operation.

Bottom-line is if I had the money I would have no problem with buying another weapon from him.

Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2007 9:24 am
by AFJailor
I have been looking pretty heavily at the Thunder ranch special. I'm interested in the commanche size for concealment.However, I think I will go fullsize for Tournament shooting. I mean even if I cant conceal it properly during the summer, I wear heavy coats during the winter so it can be my winter gun. I think I'm going to get it hard chromed, but I dont know if I can convince the wife that spending $300 more would be worth it. I have also been trying to find out what exactly the T-chrome finish looks like, although, I have a pretty good idea in my head.

Anyone ever see 4.25" barrels 1911's at tourneys? Does it effect the accuracy that much? I wouldnt imagine it would be too bad seeing as Les Baer still guarantee's them a 3" group at 50 yards.

Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2007 10:22 am
by flintknapper
AFJailor wrote: Anyone ever see 4.25" barrels 1911's at tourneys? Does it effect the accuracy that much? I wouldnt imagine it would be too bad seeing as Les Baer still guarantee's them a 3" group at 50 yards.
You don't often see 4.25's at major matches. Not because they give up any accuracy, but because they have a bit more "muzzle flip".

To me... the difference in recoil is negligible....but a 5" gun does have less and offers a slightly longer sight radius as well. These things can be important to a competition shooter. Sometimes stages/matches are won or lost by tenths of a second.

Personally, I am partial to a Commander length weapon.