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saiga

Posted: Sat Jan 05, 2008 2:19 pm
by mdek
I've decided I need some sort of AK variant in my collection. :lol:

After hearing mixed reviews about the WASR series, I'm thinking my best option would be to go with a saiga and then do the full-cap magazine conversion (I can leave the sporterized stock for now). Does anyone have suggestion as to what caliber I should get? .223 would be nice since that's what I shoot in my ARs, but I've heard it's difficult to get get the full-cap magazines (and it's expensive :shock: ). I'm thinking the traditional 7.62x39 might be a better choice. Any input?

Also, anyone know of a place in the Houston area that sells these for a reasonable price? I saw a few at the last gun show for well under $300, but they weren't the caliber I wanted.

Re: saiga

Posted: Sat Jan 05, 2008 4:04 pm
by Mike1951
I have no experience with the WASR's but bought an earlier SAR-1 that only needed a trigger job ($80) to make it imminently shootable.

I've never liked the Saiga's for esthetic reasons since they don't look like 'true' AK's.

But I have never heard anything bad about them.

I found a Saiga forum if you want to read some more.

http://forum.saiga-12.com/

Re: saiga

Posted: Sat Jan 05, 2008 4:07 pm
by Mike1951
Oh, and regarding caliber, be aware of the difference between 5.56 x 39 and .223 / 5.56 x 45.

The 5.56x39 is the chambering for the AK-74 and not interchangable with .223.

Re: saiga

Posted: Sat Jan 05, 2008 9:40 pm
by Stupid
Two of my gun buddies absolutely love the Saiga, but I feel you get what you pay for.

Re: saiga

Posted: Sat Jan 05, 2008 10:33 pm
by shootthesheet
The triggers are terrible. Other than that the ones I have shot are okay. I thought of getting one but opted for a WASR back years ago. No problem with mags and the triggers are better. They may not shoot as straight out at a distance. But, if you wanted distance I would recommend a bolt action in a better caliber. http://www.centerfiresystems.com/index. ... ategory=87 and http://www.atlanticfirearms.com/program ... sp?CatId=2 for places and rifles you might not have checked. Most FFL dealers will take delivery of internet orders for a 10% or less of the cost.

Re: saiga

Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2008 8:22 pm
by GeoJAP
My Saiga is about a 2 MOA gun. It has a pretty darned good trigger for an AK, but it's been smoothed with a polishing stone.

There are several things that make Saigas very attractive.

1) They are genuine Russian AKMs inside. Just because they have some different furniture and the trigger is in a different position, doesn't mean that they are not genuine, 100%, made at the Izhmash factory where all other Russian AKMs are made.

2) They are quality rifles. They are put together well and have quality parts. The receivers and barrels are always in spec. They have chrome lined bores.

3) They can be modified to be a very, very nice AKM. You can swap out the unattractive external parts (furniture, etc.) for a configuration that is more of a traditional AKM.

4) Finally, they are inexpensive. For $250-$350 you can get yourself a rifle that shoots very well and is extremely reliable. Their low price and quality guts make them an excellent project rifle when you have time. If you want to convert it to a pistol grip, hi-cap magazine-fed rifle, you can do so yourself with a drill and dremel for as little as $150. Or you can get really fancy and put some really nice parts on it, but it will cost more, of course.

I went with the second route. The Saiga is an excellent base rifle for a project to build a really, really nice AKM. I chose the Saiga because I wanted a nice AK that would reliably shoot .223. Shooting 5.56x45 is not something that all AKMs do very well. The magazines often are an issue. The Saiga, however, will shoot .223 without any hiccups if you convert it correctly. I bought a Saiga that had been converted by Tony Rumore at Tromix in Oklahoma. He is about the best Saiga gunsmith around, in my opinion. Tony did a great job moving the trigger, installing a high-quality folding stock and installing a feed ramp which guarantees reliable feeding from Bulgarian waffle mags, and refinishing the rifle.

I did some work of my own, installing a Dinzag front hand guard retainer plate, a Bulgarian lower hand guard, an Ultimak gas tube that has a picatinny rail, an Aimpoint CompC3 (2 MOA dot), an Ace Galil pistol grip, and a Blue Force Gear - Vickers Combat Applications sling. I also smoothed the trigger contacts with a dremel polishing bit.

This is about my favorite rifle now. Trigger pull is excellent, it shoots 2 MOA with Russian steel-cased ammo, and zero failures so far. And it's quite light and ergonomical. I do have quite a bit of money into it (scope and all), but if you put a mount and nice scope on any rifle of this quality, you are going to wind up shelling out some dough. I have about $1375 into the rifle now, total. But that is still much cheaper than many other guns that shoot this well, like PTR-91s, DSA FALs, Colt ARs, etc.

The great thing about a Saiga is that the unconverted, sporter version is still a great shooting rifle (2-4 MOA all day) and only costs ~$250-350. You can put a $100 PSOP 4x24 Russian scope on the side rail if you want an affordable scope option. Or convert it to a standard AKM configuration exactly how you want it done, as you have the time and money. I think they are great rifles, one of the very best buys on the market today.

Here is mine now:
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Re: saiga

Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2008 10:18 am
by lawrnk
Never shot one. I do own a Norinco pre-ban MAK-90 that I love to shoot. Mak-90 often score very high for these types of firearms. Personally, I'd stick with 7.63x39. like all ammo is has gone up, but it always seems to be much cheaper than 5.56. Shot wolf steel cased thios weekend, (about 90 rounds) and it performs perfect with nice grouping. About 200 bucks a case, shipped from ammoman.com I believe.