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A serious 1911... when .45 isn't big enough!

Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2008 3:05 am
by KBCraig

Re: A serious 1911... when .45 isn't big enough!

Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2008 3:14 am
by carlson1
Now I just have to wait to find one I can afford. :hurry:

Re: A serious 1911... when .45 isn't big enough!

Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2008 6:35 am
by AEA
It's like buying a helicopter......even if you can afford to buy it, you cannot afford to maintain it. :roll:

The ammo for this pistol is only available from the the manufacturer of the pistol and it is expensive. :cryin

Re: A serious 1911... when .45 isn't big enough!

Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2008 7:54 am
by HighVelocity
The answer to a question that was never asked. If I want something heavier and more expensive to feed, I'll buy a hippopotamus.

Re: A serious 1911... when .45 isn't big enough!

Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2008 7:55 am
by longtooth
:smilelol5: :rolll "rlol" :clapping: :smash: "rlol"

Re: A serious 1911... when .45 isn't big enough!

Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2008 10:22 am
by ScubaSigGuy
I'm just wondering how long it will be before this winds up in the daily carry thread.

Re: A serious 1911... when .45 isn't big enough!

Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2008 11:17 am
by jbirds1210
ScubaSigGuy wrote:I'm just wondering how long it will be before this winds up in the daily carry thread.
as soon as someone starts to carry a gun they can't afford to practice with.......

Re: A serious 1911... when .45 isn't big enough!

Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2008 11:21 am
by Tactical_Texan_CHL
If I want something heavier and more expensive to feed, I'll buy a hippopotamus.
Now THAT was funny! :smilelol5: :anamatedbanana

Re: A serious 1911... when .45 isn't big enough!

Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2008 11:55 am
by DoubleJ
comes with a .22LR conversion kit, right? :lol:

Re: A serious 1911... when .45 isn't big enough!

Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2008 2:05 pm
by NcongruNt
Apparently, an existing 1911 can be converted with a barrel change only.

Here's some details from Wikipedia:
The .50 GI pistol cartridge was developed by Vic Tibbets and Alex Zimmermann of Guncrafter Industries. The .50 GI was introduced at the 2004 SHOT Show alongside the Guncrafter Industries Model No. 1, a variation of the M1911. The round has a rebated rim that is the same diameter as that of the .45 ACP.[1] This allows the larger cartridge to be chambered in an existing .45 ACP firearm by simply switching the barrel, rather than a full upper replacement.[2]

In 2006, Guncrafter Industries introduced its 1911 Model No. 2 which sports a full length light rail/dust cover and is chambered for the 50 GI cartridge. Both the M1 and the M2 can be fitted with Guncrafter Industries' .45 ACP conversion unit, the .45 ACP magazines hold 8 rounds.

Physically, the .50 GI round is slightly shorter than the .45 ACP but is wider. A magazine can hold 7 rounds.

Performance

The .50 GI operates at pressures comparable to the .45 ACP, around 15,000 psi (100 MPa). Interestingly, felt recoil is also similar to the .45 ACP. Also, the .50 GI is moderately accurate bullet. The 300 grain (19 g) JFP (jacketed flatpoint) produces a 25-yard group of 2.24 inches, and the 300-grain JHP (jacketed hollowpoint) and 275-grain JHP produce a 25-yard group of only 1.14 inches.

The penetration and delivered energy of this slower round is about the same as a .40 Smith and Wesson and .45 ACP cartridge. Despite its .50 Caliber classification, it is a far cry from the .50 Action Express and .500 Smith and Wesson Magnum; however, it offers the practical use of a large caliber projectile never before seen in a semiauto handgun. Impact force ranges from .40 Smith and Wesson to near lighter .357 Magnum rounds, but do not break the 500 ft·lbf mark at recommended pressure loadings. This might be possible in a longer barreled 1911, but since only 2 models which chamber the cartridge exist, custom machining and hand loading would be necessary.

The cartridge is mainly used in independent law enforcement and personal defense, but its high cost and limited availability hamper widespread use. Currently, the only commercial handguns available chambered in the round are Guncrafter Industries' own Colt 1911 handgun variants, and the high cost and limited manufacture of these models limits their availability as issued sidearms in both military and law enforcement. To this date, no known state or federal agency currently uses the weapon, but there were talks of it being evaluated by the FBI for field testing when the cartridge was initially released.

Re: A serious 1911... when .45 isn't big enough!

Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2008 2:29 pm
by gmckinl
NcongruNt wrote:Apparently, an existing 1911 can be converted with a barrel change only.
Actually, no you can't. See Sweeney's Book of the 1911 v2. Page 239 will give you the answer. Magazine is larger than normal as you would expect, grip safety was changed to fit the larger mag, frame had to be opened up, etc. They do have conversion kits to allow your 50 to be converted to 45 though. :fire

Re: A serious 1911... when .45 isn't big enough!

Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2008 2:36 pm
by AFJailor
I have seen reloading dies for this gun, and they sell the brass/bullets on their website I'm pretty sure. Still pretty darn expensive if i remember right.

Re: A serious 1911... when .45 isn't big enough!

Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2008 4:45 pm
by fm2
Didn't Clint Smith have a quote dealing with a 50 Caliber handgun? Something like; "Why do you carry a 45? Because they don't make a 50."

Re: A serious 1911... when .45 isn't big enough!

Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 9:55 pm
by dukalmighty
Okay if the a problem arises and my 45 ACP isn't big enough i guess i'll drag out my LAR Grizzly Mark 4 in 44 Magnum,I guess i could make a kydex iwb holster for it but might need suspenders to keep from showing my drawers,yep it's a weebit heavy,but i can load 300 grain bullets in it too,I just don't like shoting more than 6 rounds as i develope a serious flinch LOL.but my 44 target loads i can shoot all day long and they are fun to plink with.Also i reload for about $3.00 a box of 50 rounds 240 grn LSWC 10.7 grns unique winchester primer

Re: A serious 1911... when .45 isn't big enough!

Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 10:01 pm
by AEA
If your .45 ACP is not big enough for ANY reason, the simple answer is to put another one in your other hand and keep the 2800.00 & the cost of .50 ammo that performs just barely above a .40 in power.