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"Mexican military crosses line

FROM STAFF AND AP REPORTS
Jan 17, 2006, 9:22 pm

Members of the Mexican military have crossed into the United States in the Yuma area 24 times during the past nine years, according to a newspaper report.

The Inland Valley Daily Bulletin reported that there have been 216 incursions into the United States by Mexican soldiers since 1996, citing a Department of Homeland Security document the paper obtained.

The document said 63 of the crossings were in the U.S. Border Patrol's Tucson and Yuma sectors, with 24 of those occurring in the Yuma sector. The Yuma sector extends from the southeasternmost corner of California to the Yuma-Pima County line, where the Tucson sector begins.

Homeland Security spokeswoman Kristi Clemens told the newspaper in a story published Sunday that the department is ‘‘determined to gain control of the border and will continue to collaborate with our partners on the border.’’ She would not confirm the number of crossings.

U.S. Border Patrol officials in the Yuma sector and in Washington, D.C., did not speak for this story. A Border Patrol official in Washington said comments could only come from the Department of Homeland Security.

Border Patrol forwarded a request by The Sun for comment to DHS, but the message was not returned.

The Marine Corps Air Station Yuma, which manages the Barry M. Goldwater Range that borders Mexico, said it had no statistics on incursions on the range by the Mexican military.

Hugo Oliva, the Mexican consul in Yuma, could not be reached for comment.

A Mexican government spokesman denied that there had been any incursions by military personnel in recent years.

‘‘I have no reports of them crossing into the United States,’’ said Rafael Laveaga, spokesman for the Mexican embassy in Washington, D.C.

Laveaga said reported sightings of Mexican military could be either soldiers who were lost or smugglers who wore fake uniforms.

The document said that 58 of the crossings were around El Centro, 17 were in San Diego County, and that the balance were in Texas, with 33 of those in the El Paso sector. "

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My guess is that these are corrupt Mexican military that are involved in smuggling.

I can see the U.S. Government hiring "Baghdad Bob" as a spokesman for the DHS...

"There are NO Mexican troops within a hundred miles of here! I'm telling you this!"

Good post Paladin, I had an article sent to me this morning in which the Mexican Consulate said that their military was not allowed within one mile of the border. Hmmm, I personally saw them so close to the border that even a slight nudge would push them into the Rio Grande. About an inch I would say. I have lots of pictures to back up what I'm saying.

So could they be posing as Mex Military? Maybe, but everyone I saw was dressed exactly the same, carrying the same rifle, an HK 91 I believe with a folding stock. Also, if they were smugglers, they would not have been ditty-bopping around like they owned the place for hours at a time in broad daylight. They could see me taking pictures of them too. Would you do that if you were doing something illegal? No way, you'd do what you came to do and get the heck out of there.

I talked to several of our Border Patrol agents and one mentioned that they caught a group of Mex military on our side and their supervisors told them to escort them back across the border with their weapons. Oh, one more detail, they were instructed to hand them over to a Mex General who punk-slapped them in front of everyone. The BP agent said it was likely punishment for getting caught. He said that most of the Mex military are corrupt and protect the drug shipments as well as people smugglers.

The same agent said that one night a local cop was chasing a bad guy in a car who headed for the border. The bad guy barely made it across with the cop in close pursuit who also drove across the line. He wasn't very far across when the Mexican police arrested our officer, kept him in jail for a week before then finally decided they had taught him a lesson. They released him, but kept his car and his gun. Talk about a one way street.

ShootingStar wrote:He said that most of the Mex military are corrupt and protect the drug shipments as well as people smugglers.

The dirty little secret everyone knows about, but those who could do something about it, won't...

Don't we have a pile of old shoulder fired Wire Guided Anti-Tank missles laying around somewhere that need to be disposed of?

I think they are called TOW Missiles and they should work just fine on stolen Blazers and Broncos with MexGov plates.

The Mexican Airforce has been here for years!
(Buzzards).

Another article:

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/artic ... E_ID=48357

"The Mexican military has little regard for the border as troops have entered the United States 216 times over nine years, according to a Department of Homeland Security document and a map of incursions.

California's Inland Valley Daily Bulletin says U.S. officials claim the border-crossings are designed to help foreign drug and human smugglers gain safe access into American territory.

While the White House refused comment, a spokeswoman for the DHS said her department is in ongoing discussions with the Mexican government about the incursions.

"We – the Department of Homeland Security and the CBP (U.S. Customs and Border Protection) – are determined to gain control of the border and will continue to collaborate with our partners on the border,'' Kristi Clemens told the paper.

The document indicates since 1996, Mexican military personnel made their way into the U.S. at the following Border Patrol sectors:

# San Diego County, 17 times

# El Centro, 58

# Yuma, Ariz., 24

# Tucson, Ariz., 39

# El Paso, Texas, 33

# Marfa, Texas, 8

# Del Rio, Texas, 3

# Laredo, Texas, 6

# Rio Grande Valley, Texas, 28.

"That number [of 216] is 20 times larger than even the Minuteman project organizers are aware of,'' said Jim Gilchrist, co-founder of the Minuteman Project, a civilian group concerned with border security. "But I'm not surprised at that number. There are significant drug and human cargo cartels involving Mexican military threatening Americans at the border. But our Congress has turned a blind eye to it because what the American people don't know won't bother them – that's how our representatives think.''

One border agent speaking on condition of anonymity told the Bulletin: "We've had armed showdowns with the Mexican army. ... These aren't just ex-military guys. These are Mexican army officials assisting drug smugglers.''

Officials with Mexico's government dispute the findings, claiming not a single crossing has been made by its troops.

"I strongly deny any incursion by the Mexican military on United States soil,'' said Rafael Laveaga, spokesman for the Mexican Embassy in Washington, D.C. "When it comes to Mexican military on the southern side, I have no reports of them crossing into the United States. That would mean that the patrol got lost or lack of expertise and orientation. This could be smugglers with fake uniforms as a tactic to confuse the authorities.''

U.S. Rep. Tom Tancredo, R-Colo., said the high numbers of incursions show suggestions for increasing Border Patrol resources or building a border fence won't be enough to secure the boundary between the U.S. and Mexico.

"It is a military problem,'' said Tancredo. "We should commit the military to the border – tomorrow. I mean, with armor and weapons.'' "

I think Gilchrist has it right: "...our Congress has turned a blind eye to it because what the American people don't know won't bother them – that's how our representatives think."

I'm sure a multilayered fence, with sensors between fences, monitored by the border patrol... with some military units on standby as a "quick reaction force" (in the case of armed incursion/attacks on the border patrol) could make a HUGE dent in the problem.

I would think the military would be most useful as an emergency force. If we really didn't want to involve the military, then the border patrol is gonna need some SWAT-type guys with armored vehicles and gunships.

Marfa, Texas???

I've been there quite a bit...

Its way inland...I wonder if this means the Mexican army is driving all the way to this area from the border...

Man, wouldn't that be interesting to catch the next bunch heading in like that...

Rules of Engagement??? hmmmm...

Some others are crossing the line too:

"At least 51 people who crossed the border illegally have been arrested on suspicion of terrorism since such tracking began 14 months ago"

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/artic ... E_ID=47914

Paladin wrote: Officials with Mexico's government dispute the findings, claiming not a single crossing has been made by its troops.

It's the official position of the Mexican government that Mexican citizens have the right to cross the border freely and at will. I wonder why they're denying this so strongly?

Kevin

The Mexican Army is NOT making incursions into American Territory.

I saw an article where the Mexican Consul in Yuma said that it is just people dressed like the Mexican Army.

That settles it for me.

The Washington Times has another article on Mexican military border crossings.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/national ... -9068r.htm

nemesis wrote:The Mexican Army is NOT making incursions into American Territory.

I saw an article where the Mexican Consul in Yuma said that it is just people dressed like the Mexican Army.

That settles it for me.

Me too!

I don;t think the incursions are nothing more than corupt units covering and diverting attention from "other" illegal activities...

Drugs and human trafficking are the biggies...

This other thing with the OTM's terrorist infiltration risks...Is another entirely different animal riding side-saddle on the illegal immigration problem...

And that, to me, needs to be nipped in the bud yesterday...

How you do it is obvious...It doesn't require anything but to say the word "go"...

A story dated today reports a Mexican military incursion near El Paso yesterday. Humvees and "mounted machine guns" were sighted. Somebody sure went to a lot of trouble and expense to masquerade as the Mexican Army.