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Ok so I was playing around on this site (http://www.texaspolicecentral.com/Test.htm). When I got to question 29, I answered yes. I said yes mostly because I thought Terry vs. Ohio said an officer can ask for ID. It told me the answer was wrong and the correct answer is no. I assume this must be because of the word "require" or some other technicallity. Is it possible they are wrong and the correct answer should be yes?

29) During a temporary detention, can an officer require a person to identify himself?
Yes
No
Depends of the time of day or night
Depends on the time of day or night and if there is a curfew

Terry v Ohio established rules regarding stop and frisk. It has nothing to do with requiring anyone to produce identification.

Kythas wrote:Terry v Ohio established rules regarding stop and frisk. It has nothing to do with requiring anyone to produce identification.

k...maybe this is what I was thinking about.

In Terry v. Ohio, the Supreme Court ruled that a person can be stopped and frisked by a police officer based on a reasonable suspicion. Such a detention does not violate the Fourth Amendment prohibition on unreasonable searches and seizure. In Hiibel v. Sixth Judicial District Court of Nevada the court further established that a state may require, by law, that a person identify himself or herself to an officer during a stop. An arrest is not permitted based on reasonable suspicion; probable cause is required for an arrest. Further, a person is not required to answer any other questions during a Terry stop, and the detention must be brief.

If I can try to expand on this ...

A state can pass a law saying that people must identify themselves to LEOs on demand, and it is a criminal offense to refuse to identify. If the state has such a law, it is constitutional (according to Hiibel).

Texas does not have such a law, and you do not generally have to identify yourself to police (in Texas).

If you are doing something that requires a license, you must display the license upon request.

If you are arrested for some offense, then you must identify yourself (PC§ 38.02).

- Jim

seamusTX wrote:If I can try to expand on this ...

A state can pass a law saying that people must identify themselves to LEOs on demand, and it is a criminal offense to refuse to identify. If the state has such a law, it is constitutional (according to Hiibel).

Texas does not have such a law, and you do not generally have to identify yourself to police.

If you are doing something that requires a license, you must display the license upon request.

If you are arrested for some offense, then you must identify yourself (PC§ 38.02).

- Jim

Yeah...After re-reading it, i came to this very conclusion. I assume it becomes a little sticky if you are a CHL and packing. At that point I believe it is required to produce ID.

That is correct. A CHL holder is required by law to identify if carrying.

- Jim

Can anyone tell me how accurate (realistic) of a practice test this really is? Having never had training, should someone like myself easily score in the upper 80s? If it is accurate, I would have expected it to be a little harder.

I did not get anywhere near that score, but question 72 is incorrect

72 What size of knife blade makes it illegal?
6 inches
6 1/2 inches
5 inches
5 1/2 inches
It said 5 1/2 but the answer is A and B , but indicated D to be correct. So I am not sure I would trust this test

Bill wrote:I did not get anywhere near that score, but question 72 is incorrect

72 What size of knife blade makes it illegal?
6 inches
6 1/2 inches
5 inches
5 1/2 inches
It said 5 1/2 but the answer is A and B , but indicated D to be correct. So I am not sure I would trust this test

At 5 1/2 inches the blade becomes illegal. I took the question as to what length does a blade become illegal. And the only legal length in the list is 5 inches.

PC §46.01 defines an "illegal knife" as one with "a blade over five and one-half inches." No measurement can be exact, but if the blade must be measureably over 5 1/2 inches to violate this part of the law.

This is one of those fine points of law that won't keep you from taking a ride.

- Jim

pt145ss wrote:Can anyone tell me how accurate (realistic) of a practice test this really is? Having never had training, should someone like myself easily score in the upper 80s? If it is accurate, I would have expected it to be a little harder.

The tests are not very difficult on Texas Police Central. Would you have received the same marks if it were fill-in-the-blank?

I promise you that one can take information from the Penal Code and Code of Criminal Procedures and make a test VERY tough (I have taken a few of them).

I believe that the test questions are designed more to make someone familiar with the style of questions the TCLEOSE exam offers and how it is often asking for the "best" answer. Notice that some of the answer choices are actually all correct as they are actually elements of the crime that is being presented.

Jason

jbirds1210 wrote:

pt145ss wrote:Can anyone tell me how accurate (realistic) of a practice test this really is? Having never had training, should someone like myself easily score in the upper 80s? If it is accurate, I would have expected it to be a little harder.

The tests are not very difficult on Texas Police Central. Would you have received the same marks if it were fill-in-the-blank?

I promise you that one can take information from the Penal Code and Code of Criminal Procedures and make a test VERY tough (I have taken a few of them).

I believe that the test questions are designed more to make someone familiar with the style of questions the TCLEOSE exam offers and how it is often asking for the "best" answer. Notice that some of the answer choices are actually all correct as they are actually elements of the crime that is being presented.

Jason

I assume fill-in-the-blank would be more difficult than multiple-guess as one requires a little more knowledge. I was not trying to offend anyone. I was just trying to gauge how realistic and relevant the line of questioning is. There were quite a few i did not know but was able to make an educated guess on and was lucky enough to guess correctly.

Are the TCLEOSE tests fill-in-the-blank or are they multiple guess? Is the TCLEOSE only 100 questions? What is the minimum passing score?

The only 2 laws on Texas books are that an individual under arrest must provide identification, and when providing identification under any circumstances it must be correct. You are also required to provide ID is asked when detained for a motor vehicle moving violation.

pt145ss wrote:

jbirds1210 wrote:

pt145ss wrote:Can anyone tell me how accurate (realistic) of a practice test this really is? Having never had training, should someone like myself easily score in the upper 80s? If it is accurate, I would have expected it to be a little harder.

The tests are not very difficult on Texas Police Central. Would you have received the same marks if it were fill-in-the-blank?

I promise you that one can take information from the Penal Code and Code of Criminal Procedures and make a test VERY tough (I have taken a few of them).

I believe that the test questions are designed more to make someone familiar with the style of questions the TCLEOSE exam offers and how it is often asking for the "best" answer. Notice that some of the answer choices are actually all correct as they are actually elements of the crime that is being presented.

Jason

I assume fill-in-the-blank would be more difficult than multiple-guess as one requires a little more knowledge. I was not trying to offend anyone. I was just trying to gauge how realistic and relevant the line of questioning is. There were quite a few i did not know but was able to make an educated guess on and was lucky enough to guess correctly.

Are the TCLEOSE tests fill-in-the-blank or are they multiple guess? Is the TCLEOSE only 100 questions? What is the minimum passing score?

I was surely not offended.....Sorry if it came across that way.

I am in the process of learning this stuff and have taken several of the online practice exams. Bryan Williamson is the gentleman that created most of them. You should check out what Victoria College has available.

TCLEOSE is 250 multiple choice questions. The minimum passing score is 70%.

Jason

I got as far as the second question before I said the test was not good. The correct answer is an officer must arrest for a violation of a protective order in his presence and may arrest if there is probable cause to believe it occurred outside his presence or view. None of the answers on the test are anywhere near correct.

But, here is a link to Victoria Community College Police Academy practice tests. TCLEOSE recommends this site for someone studying for the test, so the questions should be slightly more accurate.

http://www.victoriacollege.edu/practicetestpa2

Incidentally, I thought the TCLEOSE test was very hard when I took it, but the sheer number of questions is what made it easy. I walked away thinking I had flunked it because my mind focused on the answers I had doubts about or knew I got wrong from talking with friends afterwards. But, that turned out to be about 15 or 20 questions and I could have had 75 wrong answers (30% of 250) and passed. That was int he days where it took about a week to get results back. Now they are computer given and you can be told the score right away.