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I share the apprehensions others have previously expressed in a thread elswhere in this section of TexasCHLforum as regards the upcoming SCOTUS opinion in DC v. Heller. I, as have many of you, have even put it to God to assist those folks in making what all of us here consider the "right" decision. We share our love of this country and the Constitution and the rights it seeks to protect, and I would hazard to guess that most of us consider faith important to our daily lives. I am not trying to get all preachy on anyone or offend anyone with such religious talk, but I think there's a common ground there.

I have been thinking about all the prayer that has been personally put in about this particular issue and can't help but wonder what it would mean, if anything, should SCOTUS go the other way and issue a disappointing opinion. Would that simply be yet another example of evil at work in a world steadily circling the drain? Or, is it possible that such a seemingly objectionable opinion could represent actual Divine comment on RKBA, concealed carry, and related issues so important to us here?

Afff_667 wrote:I share the apprehensions others have previously expressed in a thread elswhere in this section of TexasCHLforum as regards the upcoming SCOTUS opinion in DC v. Heller. I, as have many of you, have even put it to God to assist those folks in making what all of us here consider the "right" decision. We share our love of this country and the Constitution and the rights it seeks to protect, and I would hazard to guess that most of us consider faith important to our daily lives. I am not trying to get all preachy on anyone or offend anyone with such religious talk, but I think there's a common ground there.

I have been thinking about all the prayer that has been personally put in about this particular issue and can't help but wonder what it would mean, if anything, should SCOTUS go the other way and issue a disappointing opinion. Would that simply be yet another example of evil at work in a world steadily circling the drain? Or, is it possible that such a seemingly objectionable opinion could represent actual Divine comment on RKBA, concealed carry, and related issues so important to us here?

I wouldn't read too much into the SCOTUS decision as a reflection on God. SCOTUS does not equal God.

God does not necessarily approve of everything that happens on earth, nor does he necessarily approve of the decisions of humanity, including SCOTUS (regardless of their decision, positive or negative)

Afff_667 wrote:is it possible that such a seemingly objectionable opinion could represent actual Divine comment on RKBA, concealed carry, and related issues so important to us here?

To answer this question, the answer is no.

If the SCOTUS ruled one day that Jesus Christ did not rise from the grave, that would not represent actual divine comment on the matter. In the same regards, the right to defend oneself and others who need defending is a divine right, clearly spelled out time and again in scripture. Jesus made sure his disciples were armed before he "left them", and I'm confident that Caesar wouldn't have approved of them arming themselves.

If the government ever outlaws guns, then a lot of us (Christians) will become outlaws, preferring to submit to God rather than men.

I would think that if God was going to reverse any decisions it would have little to do with RKBA and everything to do with abortion.

I pray for the little ones a whole lot more than I do for my guns.

Anygunanywhere

It is all in his hands. I trust he knows best in these matters. And I do agree that we have a God given right to defend ourselves or choose not to. I obey all laws that do not stand in the way of my beliefs. Those that do, seeing that we are a government of the people, I decide not to obey as is my right of a self-governed man. I don't really obey any man made laws anyway. The ones God gave us cover everything a free man needs. Those micro-managing ones man makes up are for those who don't know any better. Unfortunately, those laws are the ones that always are misused by those who would play god to satisfy their own evil natures. Doesn't really affect what freedom for a believer is. That is inside and cannot be taken even when we are locked up for claiming what God has allotted us. That is how I see it anyway.

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shootthesheet wrote:It is all in his hands. I trust he knows best in these matters. And I do agree that we have a God given right to defend ourselves or choose not to. I obey all laws that do not stand in the way of my beliefs. Those that do, seeing that we are a government of the people, I decide not to obey as is my right of a self-governed man. I don't really obey any man made laws anyway. The ones God gave us cover everything a free man needs. Those micro-managing ones man makes up are for those who don't know any better. Unfortunately, those laws are the ones that always are misused by those who would play god to satisfy their own evil natures. Doesn't really affect what freedom for a believer is. That is inside and cannot be taken even when we are locked up for claiming what God has allotted us. That is how I see it anyway.

People like you scare me.

DParker wrote:

shootthesheet wrote:It is all in his hands. I trust he knows best in these matters. And I do agree that we have a God given right to defend ourselves or choose not to. I obey all laws that do not stand in the way of my beliefs. Those that do, seeing that we are a government of the people, I decide not to obey as is my right of a self-governed man. I don't really obey any man made laws anyway. The ones God gave us cover everything a free man needs. Those micro-managing ones man makes up are for those who don't know any better. Unfortunately, those laws are the ones that always are misused by those who would play god to satisfy their own evil natures. Doesn't really affect what freedom for a believer is. That is inside and cannot be taken even when we are locked up for claiming what God has allotted us. That is how I see it anyway.

People like you scare me.

shootthesheet wrote:I don't really obey any man made laws anyway. The ones God gave us cover everything a free man needs.

So may we presume that man made laws don't deter you from following these G-d given laws?

Leviticus 20:9 If anyone curses his father or mother, he must be put to death.

20:10 If a man commits adultery with another man’s wife—with the wife of his neighbor—both the adulterer and the adulteress must be put to death.

20:13 If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death.

Deuteronomy 22:20-1 If, however, the charge is true and no proof of the girl’s virginity can be found, she shall be brought to the door of her father’s house and there the men of her town shall stone her to death. She has done a disgraceful thing in Israel by being promiscuous while still in her father’s house.

Exodus 35:2 For six days, work is to be done, but the seventh day shall be your holy day, a Sabbath of rest to the LORD. Whoever does any work on it must be put to death.

And one of my personal favorites, in fact I use it as a sig line on another forum: Deuteronomy 13:7-11

I see now why Chas has the "no religious discussion" rule. It's a pity we can't have a good conversation along the lines of the original subject of this thread.

drw wrote:I see now why Chas has the "no religious discussion" rule. It's a pity we can't have a good conversation along the lines of the original subject of this thread.

Well, considering that religion was an integral part of the original subject of this thread.....

One of the most common violated is the one that states no personal attacks are allowed.

Anygunanywhere

iratollah wrote:And one of my personal favorites, in fact I use it as a sig line on another forum: Deuteronomy 13:7-11

Try 6-11; 7 is one of those odd verse breaks that just doesn't appear to have any reason for being where it is.

anygunanywhere wrote:One of the most common violated is the one that states no personal attacks are allowed.

If you're referring to my original post then I think calling it a "personal attack" is something of a mischaracterization. What we have here is someone who has publicly declared that the laws of his country do not apply to him, and that they were written for those of us who simply "don't know any better" (a rather large-scale personal attack itself.) I find that sort of thinking disturbing, and his public declaration makes my statement a legitimate one.

As for the more common rules violation, it looks to me like the religious discussions win hands-down.

DParker wrote:If you're referring to my original post then I think calling it a "personal attack" is something of a mischaracterization. What we have here is someone who has publicly declared that the laws of his country do not apply to him, and that they were written for those of us who simply "don't know any better" (a rather large-scale personal attack itself.) I find that sort of thinking disturbing, and his public declaration makes my statement a legitimate one.

As for the more common rules violation, it looks to me like the religious discussions win hands-down.

I did not quote anyone here specifically.

I was just pointing out another one of the rules that posters were throwing ou there.

The OP doesn't scare me in the slightest.

Anygunanywhere