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has anyone heard of extreme shock or GLASER BLUE safety slug ammo
any info you happen to know of i would be interested in hearing

Glaser Blue Safety Slug is the trade name of a cartridge that is basically a metal shell filled with fine shot. They are advertised as have less danger of overpenetration or ricochet:
http://www.dakotaammo.net/prodfcts/glaser/glaser.htm

They are expensive, on the order of $3 each.

I have no opinion about them.

- Jim

if anyone has reviews or knows where some are
im really interested in more 3rd party stuff not the hype the manufacture says about it

If you're considering using these in a semi and adhere to a popular minimum of 200 rounds to establish reliability, that would be about $600 at $3ea just to see if they will work in your gun.

Here's an article where they test some. This ammo is not my kind of thing, but it might be what you're looking for.

http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/bot23.htm

Any law enforcement agencies use this stuff? Why not?

Apparently some do: http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/ ... ngible.htm

I think, in general, civilian police forces would find them too expensive for routine use. Also, though this sounds harsh, police forces have good insurance. The possibility of injuring an innocent party does not have the same risk for them as for an ordinary citizen.

- Jim

I have done some totally unscientific testing of Magsafe and RBCD, but not Glaser, in pork. They both produced holes about 3-5 inches deep. The RBCD holes were about 4-5 inches in diameter while Magsafe holes were about 2-3 inches in diameter. Both sets of holes were generally cone shaped. Some fragments penetrated about 1-2 inches beyond the end of the cone.

In reports I have read on the internet, which have varying levels of reliability, Glaser, Magsafe and RBCD all seem to work about as well as HPs in terms of stopping attacks. But take that for what it is worth given that they are internet reports.

The advantage of Glaser, Magsafe and RBCD is that they are light bullets that will fragment rather than ricochet on hitting something solid, like a brick wall, will lose energy more quickly when penetrating walls (although they will penetrate), will not overpenetrate and go through an attacker to hit someone behind the attacker. While they have rifle or almost rifle velocity at the mouth of the barrel, they also tend to have a shorter effective range since they are light bullet and lose velocity quickly. Some people like them for use in home defense guns for these reasons.

Glaser and Magsafe cost about $3 a round while RBCD is a little less that $2 a round. Regardless of their effectiveness, few Police Departments are going to use them simply because they are 2-3 times the cost of good HP rounds (Although Corbon DPX is getting up to RBCD's price levels). And good HP rounds have a well established track records for stopping BGs.

You can find a lot of pro and con arguments on various gun boards by simply using the name in the search functions. DefensiveCarry.com has several old threads on these kinds of bullets. You will find that some people think they are completely worthless, while others swear by them.

Hope that helps.

sounds to me its not worth it
i will stick to WWB and speer gold dot

Personally, I'm not a fan of shot or frangible rounds in a carry handgun for a private-citizen CHL.

Like stroo, I'll try to avoid hyperbole, and I'll also state up-front that I haven't searched the Net to find other opinions on other gun boards. So I may be uselessly repeating stuff...but what's new?

The fact is there are no Leatherman tool or Swiss Army Knife equivalents in firearms. A Leatherman folder can fit in your pocket and ingeniously contain pliers, tweezers, a few cutting blades, flat and Philips screwdrivers, etc. One handy tool for many jobs. Pretty cool.

Firearms aren't like that. They are more complex mechanisms, and they have to be larger than a Swiss Army Knife to do their jobs effectively. (Don't take me to task here: I'm purposely discounting .22 derringers and such.)

IMHO, every private citizen who is legally entitled to do so should own at least three firearms: a rifle, a shotgun, and a handgun. Multiples of same would help the firearms industry, and will afford you many options of desired fit-for-purpose use.

A carry handgun is like Forest Gump's box of chocolates: you never know what you'll get...meaning, this is the one firearm you have on you at all times, and you'll never know what situation you'll find yourself in.

A carry handgun is a small, defensive weapon. And it must be available to handle, potentially, a pretty wide spectrum of attacks. Most carry handgun loads--assuming you don't carry a .500 S&W Magnum in an 8-inch barrel--are fairly anemic compared to many rifle cartridges or a 12-gauge slug. I'll even admit that my preferred .45 ACP +P comes up lacking.

But a carry handgun is not a Leatherman. A handgun is one device, one tool, one function...and you have to decide how best to be prepared to use it across the multitude of scenarios in which it might be employed.

My point here is that a shot-loaded pistol round might be the perfect load if a VCA reaches into your driver's-side car window and tries to extract you from the vehicle. Three-foot head-shot with .45 Magsafe, and he will probably cease the attack.

What if you're up against three drawn guns at 5 to 15 yards? What if you have to take a shot at 20 yards or more? What if you have to take a head shot? What if you have to take a hostage shot?

Even at extreme CQB range when my offhand is gettin' up close and personal with the attacker's face, I want a round that can penetrate and break bone, not just cause a wide, shallow wound. The latter may eventually disable him, but my objective at bad-breath distance is to fracture the pelvis or the acetabulem and disable the attacker's movement. Your typical meth-head may not be immediately impressed by devastating soft-tissue injury.

I keep quality HP defensive rounds in my handguns. They're best-suited for 98% of what I might encounter.

Disclaimer: I am not an expert. But I've trained with some who are.

what are some good regular ammo types hydrashock hornady etc etc????

There are a lot of good HPs out there. I personally like Corbon DPX because it is very consistent in penetration and expansion in all the tests I have seen. Having said that Federal, Speer, Hornady, Winchester and others all make very good hps. I would stay away from "persona protection" rounds because they seem to be underpowered. You have less recoil issues with them but more penetration and failure to expand issues because they are lower velocity rounds.

stroo wrote:There are a lot of good HPs out there. I personally like Corbon DPX because it is very consistent in penetration and expansion in all the tests I have seen. Having said that Federal, Speer, Hornady, Winchester and others all make very good hps. I would stay away from "persona protection" rounds because they seem to be underpowered. You have less recoil issues with them but more penetration and failure to expand issues because they are lower velocity rounds.

interesting i would have thought the opposite
what i have right now is winchester personal protection it seemed to have more recoil than the WWB 230gr