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I notice in an article concerning the Harrold ISD decision that they must use ammo to reduce richochet in the halls. I only know of Magsafe. What else might qualify?

Just gleaning info if it starts coming to our school...hope...hope...

If they're talking about requiring fragmented ammo, Glaser Safety Slugs is the other type that comes to mind.

How about rubber bullets? No, that will increase richochets in hallways.

What about not missing the bad guy?

I have never had any personal experience with this particular ammo "Extreme Shock", but according to the advertisement, "The Air Freedom round disintegrates when it hits hard targets such as many interior walls and airplane skins, but retains astonishing stopping power on organic targets."

You can check it out here...http://www.extremeshockusa.com/

-geo

Depends what the walls are made of. If they're standard wood and drywall then .223 should perform good.

troglodyte wrote:I notice in an article concerning the Harrold ISD decision that they must use ammo to reduce richochet in the halls.

Any hollow point ammo should provide acceptable performance from a ricochet standpoint. Most such rounds will tend to break up upon hitting a hard surface. That's not to say that no part of a round will continue on (pieces of jacket material, core fragments, etc.), but these pieces generally have low lethality and very limited range.

FMJ would not be a good choice for this purpose - it can bounce around in a hard surfaced area like a ping pong ball with unpredictable trajectories and high retention of projectile integrity and lethality.

Those "Extreme Shock Fang Face" rounds ought to be perfect.

Iggy Pop wrote:What about not missing the bad guy?

I had forgotten about Glaser.

It will be interesting to see what ammo they approve for carry.

I spoke with my superindent (CHL holder) tonight at a function and he was encouraged. I don't think he will ever sign-off on it without the school board's approval but if it gets passed this session I don't see any self-imposed restrictions from our school leadership.

boomerang wrote:Depends what the walls are made of. If they're standard wood and drywall then .223 should perform good.

Magsafe, Extreme Shock, Glaser, RBCD, and DRT are frangible rounds that should not ricochet. There may be others but those are the ones I am aware of. Sinter may make a frangible handgun round as well although I am only familiar with their 223 ammo. A 223 gun is likely to be a rifle although there are some AR15 clonish handguns. They don't look very concealable to me so I expect 223 ammo is not going to be a realistic alternative.

I tried the Glaser when they first emerged and was not happy with their accuracy. Since then I have just stuck with hollowpoints.

Those Glasers will do a number on a watermellon. Pretty impressive.

Anygunanywhere

anygunanywhere wrote:I tried the Glaser when they first emerged and was not happy with their accuracy. Since then I have just stuck with hollowpoints.

Those Glasers will do a number on a watermellon. Pretty impressive.

I saw the results of a shooting with the Glaser rounds. An LEO fired at a vehicle trying to run him down. Two shots hit the windshield - no penetration. One shot hit the side door just below the window - big hole on the outside, no hole on the inside. One shot hit the passenger side window and shattered it. The impact shattered the Glaser slug as well. The BG, who was eventually arrested, looked like he had the measles on the right side of his face but was otherwise unharmed.

Unless someone could guarantee that none of my opponents would be behind any type of barrier or wearing heavy clothing, I wouldn't consider the Glaser for serious social work.

A new round from Dynamic Research Technologies appears to offer promise of overcoming the limitations of earlier limited ricochet rounds. The cost is about twice that of premium ammo, and the only handgun round currently available is a 124 grain 9mm. Check it out here.

I have never had any personal experience with this particular ammo "Extreme Shock", but according to the advertisement, "The Air Freedom round disintegrates when it hits hard targets such as many interior walls and airplane skins, but retains astonishing stopping power on organic targets."

I prefer The Air Ninja rounds. According to the box, Ninjas are deployed from the casing whilst delivering devastating bicycle kicks...should stop at the wall and vanish in a puff of smoke. Because, you know, that's what ninjas do.

.... I am so bored sorry for OT

troglodyte wrote:I notice in an article concerning the Harrold ISD decision that they must use ammo to reduce richochet in the halls. I only know of Magsafe. What else might qualify?

Maybe they should consult with an expert, like Masaad Ayoob, who could explain the realities of shooting inside a populated building. Didn't he just write an article of choosing the correct ammunition so you don't get sued in court?

Maybe the school should have mandatory drills for armed threats, just like fire drills. Maybe they should have training for all students to immediately follow instructions from a staff member when they say: GET DOWN!! NOW!!.

A new round from Dynamic Research Technologies appears to offer promise of overcoming the limitations of earlier limited ricochet rounds. The cost is about twice that of premium ammo, and the only handgun round currently available is a 124 grain 9mm.

Knowing how tight school budgets are, the staff will probably have to buy their own ammo.