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Firing Pin question
Posted: Tue Sep 16, 2008 3:56 pm
by pt145ss
Ok…I hope this is not too dumb of a question. Let me preface this by saying that I am not a long gun person, so please excuse my ignorance.
Many years ago, I was given a 12 ga. shotgun, a Springfield Model 67 Series B, savage. For the 7 or 8 years that I have had it, it has stayed locked up in the case and never fired or fiddled around with. A couple of weeks ago I thought I might pull it out and take it to a range just to check it out. When I was fiddling around with it, I noticed that the firing pin kinda floats around, for example when I have the action pulled open, I can tilt the shotgun where the barrel is pointing towards the ground and the firing pin will freely slide out and protrudes slightly from the face of the bolt. Tilting it back to where the butt is pointed towards the ground, the firing pin freely slides back into the bolt face again.
Is this normal? Should it have some sort of spring that keeps the pin retracted into the bolt until it is fired?
Again…I apologize for my ignorance.
Re: Firing Pin question
Posted: Tue Sep 16, 2008 4:21 pm
by dave_in_austin
It looks like there should be one. See item #8 in
http://www.gunsworld.com/exploded/savage67.htm
Re: Firing Pin question
Posted: Wed Sep 17, 2008 7:11 am
by pt145ss
Thanks for the schematic. I looked and looked for one prior to posting but I guess I just was not savvy enough to find it.
I broke the gun down to the bolt but I can not seem to tap out the firing pin stop (#10). Does anyone know if this requires a special tool or something?
I suppose at the point the bigger question is...is it worth my time energy and money to fix the shotgun? Currently It has a fixed 28 in barrel, which is way to big for home defense, so if I do get it fixed I plan on chopping it down to 18.5 inches. Is it just smarter and/or cheaper to purchase a new shotgun for home defense?
Re: Firing Pin question
Posted: Wed Sep 17, 2008 7:48 am
by KaiserB
pt145ss wrote:Thanks for the schematic. I looked and looked for one prior to posting but I guess I just was not savvy enough to find it.
I broke the gun down to the bolt but I can not seem to tap out the firing pin stop (#10). Does anyone know if this requires a special tool or something?
I suppose at the point the bigger question is...is it worth my time energy and money to fix the shotgun? Currently It has a fixed 28 in barrel, which is way to big for home defense, so if I do get it fixed I plan on chopping it down to 18.5 inches. Is it just smarter and/or cheaper to purchase a new shotgun for home defense?
You will probably need a brass punch to remove the roll pin (part #10). You may want to try and gently tap it out, if it does not move you may try tapping from the other side as some of these pins are tapered and only go in or out in one direction. If you are planning on having the barrel cut you may try to make a deal with a gunsmith to reduce the barrel length, re-sight the new shorter barrel, and tune up the gun (i.e. get it in operational order). Keep in mind all of this will probably cost $150-200 depending upon the sights mounted and degree of work needed on the internals of the gun.
Alternately at a gun show for $200-400 you can get a Mossberg 500, which is nice for home defense:

Re: Firing Pin question
Posted: Wed Sep 17, 2008 12:07 pm
by jdm
I don't know about your shotgun. However in my military rifles (SKS, M-1 Carbine) the firing pin behaves by design the same way you describe. It moves back and forth when I tip the rifle. If the pin was frozen in the sticking out position, then the gun would fire as soon as you closed the action or bolt.
Re: Firing Pin question
Posted: Wed Sep 17, 2008 12:44 pm
by Target1911
I happen to think that it will cost way more to fix than a new shotgun. I can send you my address so you can just ship the gun to me. I will even pay the shipping

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Re: Firing Pin question
Posted: Thu Sep 18, 2008 8:17 am
by pt145ss
I contacted a gun smith yesterday. I explained the problems I have with the shotgun and told him what parts I thought I need to replace. He told me that he could do the work but it would most likely cost more than it is worth.
Target1911 wrote:I happen to think that it will cost way more to fix than a new shotgun. I can send you my address so you can just ship the gun to me. I will even pay the shipping

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I suppose it is time to get rid of it and I would not feel right about selling or even giving it away (mostly for safety concerns). Which leads me to another question. What is the best way to get rid of it? I suppose I could wait for one of those gun turn in deals that pop up every now and then (though I have never seen any in my area)...but barring that...do I just strip it and slowly over several weeks put parts into the garbage?
Re: Firing Pin question
Posted: Thu Sep 18, 2008 8:54 am
by KaiserB
pt145ss wrote:I contacted a gun smith yesterday. I explained the problems I have with the shotgun and told him what parts I thought I need to replace. He told me that he could do the work but it would most likely cost more than it is worth.
Target1911 wrote:I happen to think that it will cost way more to fix than a new shotgun. I can send you my address so you can just ship the gun to me. I will even pay the shipping

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I suppose it is time to get rid of it and I would not feel right about selling or even giving it away (mostly for safety concerns). Which leads me to another question. What is the best way to get rid of it? I suppose I could wait for one of those gun turn in deals that pop up every now and then (though I have never seen any in my area)...but barring that...do I just strip it and slowly over several weeks put parts into the garbage?
If it were me I would sell the gun "AS IS" communicating to the buyer the gun needs some gunsmithing work. Disposing of it in the trash, whether disabled or not is a bad idea.