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Russian SKS

Posted: Fri Oct 24, 2008 3:28 pm
by CodeJockey
I've been really thinking of picking up an SKS. My local gunstore got a Russian variant in that looks really nice. I like the Russian one because it has no grenade launcher and the furniture is better. I think I'm going to buy it, but I was curious as to whether or not I could legally modify the stock and other components. I've read lots of confusing info regarding the stocks and legality of modifying some of the C&R SKS rifles.

Re: Russian SKS

Posted: Fri Oct 24, 2008 10:46 pm
by shootthesheet
The Russian SKS is one that is sought by those who know and like the SKS. I don't know about this rifle but I will say that if it is in good and original condition, with a decent price, that you should buy it.

Legally, most any change to an SKS is hard to do. The BATFE has info but I think only a Thug that works there could decipher what would make the rifle legal or not. You can find info to do it but, stock is better when it comes to most SKS rifles. Do nothing to it and watch for "garage modifications" like converting it to use an AK mag without a "duckbill" adaptor. I think the "D" model is the one originally made to do that and those, that are in good shape, are rare.

You can put a new stock on a SKS legally as long as it has no pistol type grip. Legally, I would only use one that looks like a standard stock and leave the others be. You can add a scope mount and scope. You cannot use a detachable mag without replacing parts with U.S. made parts to comply with the law. Same with the pistol grip, compensator or muzzle break(?), and on and on. I have a Chinese rifle I bought in 1993 which I could legally use a detachable mag on but don't. Now, we see modified SKS rifles all over the place. Detachable mags, pistol grips, and so on. How? The BATFE cannot/don't want to try to prove when those rifles were modified and by who. Was it imported then or later? Some were not imported from at that time but other were. So, it comes down to this in my opinion. You can do what you want to the rifle. Just do not get arrested or sell it in that condition to someone that will do something that will cause the BATFE to be contacted about the gun. If they can prove you modified it illegally then it is on you. If you buy an illegally modified one you can get into problems. I love mine and wouldn't sell it for anything short of my kids going hungry. Others have had different experiences. That is just my opinion and what I wrote was not legal advice or expert in any way.

Re: Russian SKS

Posted: Fri Oct 24, 2008 11:45 pm
by kalipsocs
You can't do that to a true russian! I mean I agree that the Yugos are clunky and the grenade launcher makes it worse, but the Russian SKS is the most desirable of all. To throw a Tapco stock or something like that on it would be horrible. This is just my opinion, but that would be like taking a Corvette and putting a Malibu body on it. Besides, its not much of a tactical weapon even its best form. Stripper clips are not conducive to a fast reload.

Re: Russian SKS

Posted: Sat Oct 25, 2008 7:00 am
by TexasVet
but the Tapco 20rd Mags are not too hard to swap.

Re: Russian SKS

Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2008 9:00 am
by CodeJockey
Well I did buy it. Although my wife made me put it on lay-away so i could put it under the tree. She said having it in the house would just be too tempting. It is in very good shape. The furniture is very nice on it, and it definitely is a true russian. All of the serial numbers match, even the stock. It has this Image imprinted on it.

I have also decided not to modify it in the slightest. i'm going to keep it completely stock!

Re: Russian SKS

Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2008 12:32 pm
by WarHawk-AVG
If it is a SKS-D model you can use AK mags in it..its one of the only SKS designs that will allow you to use removable magazines other than those clunky duck bill mags.

My suggestion...use the fixed 10 rounder, it feeds and operates MUCH more reliable with them

Re: Russian SKS

Posted: Tue Oct 28, 2008 9:39 am
by CodeJockey
I don't really plan to use anything other than the fixed 10-round magazine, but how do you know if it's an SKS-D?

Re: Russian SKS

Posted: Tue Oct 28, 2008 5:56 pm
by WarHawk-AVG
Borrowed from here
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How many different types of SKS Carbines utilize AK magazines?

The Chinese SKS‑D is the “pre-ban” version that has a standard length barrel, a bayonet lug and attached spike bayonet, and a standard stock (with a steel filler plate in front of the magazine well). Actually, there is no official rifle as an SKS‑D. Since the SKS‑D has no specific markings on the receiver, dealers coined this term in order to differentiate these rifles from the fixed magazine ones. Some people continue to use the term “SKS‑D” to refer to any SKS that uses an AK magazine.

The Chinese SKS‑M is the “post-ban” version, typically with a shortened ‘Paratrooper’ barrel and without a bayonet lug. The SKS‑M was equipped with either a thumbhole style stock or a fancy Monte Carlo style stock. These will usually have either “SKS Sporter”, “SKS M”, “SKS NR”, or “MC 5D” stamped on the side of the receiver.

It has been reported that the following variations exist:

* SKS Factory modified at factory taking several different factory markings and reducing the barrel to 16 inches, and shortening the bayonet. These are the “Navy” (imported by Navy Arms) or “Type 84” rifles they have a bolt hold open of either a pin or a button detent.
* SKS‑D: 20-inch barrel, standard stock, detachable bayonet, with striper clip guide, and serialized with a 4-digit or 5-digit serial number and all components are marked as well. Note that the earlier units are reported to have the 5-digit serial numbers.

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* SKS‑D: 20-inch barrel, standard stock, detachable bayonet, without striper clip guide, and serial numbers starting with 88 (having 7-8 digits). Some of the components on some of the rifles are not serialized. Some “88” serial numbered rifles were caught up in customs when the 1989 ban was imposed, these were required to have the bayonet mount removed before being released to the US distributor. Note: Of course, bayonet mounts have been removed for various reasons — So just because a particular rifle doesn't have a bayonet mount, doesn't mean the rifle is one of the ones that were “caught up in customs”.

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* SKS‑M: Post ban type rifles with no striper clip guide, no bayonet and equipped with either a fancy Monte Stock or one of four or five different thumbhole stocks (with either wide or narrow forearms, black painted cuts in the pistol grip or with smooth pistol grip, rear sling mount at the bottom or on the side). These have serial numbers that start with the year imported. These were imported in both 16-inch and 20-inch versions. These rifles will usually have either “SKS Sporter”, “SKS NR”, or “SKS M” stamped on the side of the receiver. However, some just marked “SKS imported by <XYZ>”. The 20-inch version is very scarce. All of the 20-inch models reported to date are marked “SKS M”, have fancy Monte stocks, and have serial numbers starting with “94”.

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* MC 5D: These are assumed to have been imported without any “SKS markings” to get past the ban imposed on SKS Carbines with detachable magazines by the state of California. These are equipped with a fancy Monte Carlo stock and a magazine release that looks like it’s for a standard fixed magazine rifle. Note: some folks claim this variant is stamped with “MC 50”, but those who actually own one have confirmed it is “MC 5D”.

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* A number of companies provided aftermarket conversion of fixed magazine SKS Carbines to utilize AK-47 magazines. These can typically be recognized because they continue to use the standard fixed magazine SKS Carbine magazine release.

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* Added category: First conversion by Midwest Ordnance. This is the one that the Chinese came over and looked at then went back and made the 84's and then the D's. It was sold in the ATI folder stock with a filler in the mag well, 20-inch barrel, and bayonet.


Note: Thanks to Jmikesteen for providing the above information.

Re: Russian SKS

Posted: Wed Oct 29, 2008 8:02 am
by CodeJockey
Thanks for the info! I can't wait to pick this beauty up.