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Carry w/bib style cover-alls????

Posted: Sat Dec 27, 2008 5:52 pm
by Target1911
How you carry when wearing the bib style insulated coveralls?

I normally carry IWB but it makes it near impossible to get to it in a timely fashion. I have thought about sewing a pocket on the inside of the chest to house my Kahr P9.

I would like to know what the rest of you have come up with.

Thanks

Re: Carry w/bib style cover-alls????

Posted: Sat Dec 27, 2008 8:29 pm
by Mike1951
You have extraordinarily large pockets if you should want to pocket carry.

However, my favorite carry with bib overalls is to use a belly band with the handgun toward the front.

Re: Carry w/bib style cover-alls????

Posted: Sat Dec 27, 2008 11:50 pm
by srothstein
It is always good to recognize when you may need to change your equipment. The problem may come about when you do so without enough practice. If you do change how you carry based on your clothing, remember to practice with all of the appropriate carry equipment AND the clothing. You want to be able to do this so you rememebr where to reach when you need to draw without thinking about it.

For example, I have our agents practice drawing from under a jacket, with the appropriate sweep of the garment, as well as just from the holster with no jacket on. This way, when they are on duty with or without a jacket, the correct draw will become automatic. We also recommend they practice their off duty draws the same way (and require it for qualification).

Re: Carry w/bib style cover-alls????

Posted: Sun Dec 28, 2008 8:01 am
by Target1911
sroth.....
thanks for the tips and i do plan to practice it.

as far as pocket carry........the front pockets are rather shallow for cover-alls and with the extra layers I usually have on under them I think it would print to much for my comfort while I am at work. I am not a fan of the belly band.

Re: Carry w/bib style cover-alls????

Posted: Sun Dec 28, 2008 11:07 pm
by mr surveyor
Doing field work, hunting, or other appropriate activities during the colder weather, I wear Carhart bib "overalls" over my regular jeans and tee shirt with a sweat shirt inside the bibs. When in this dress style, I carry owb with the right side bib buttons open, and the sweat shirt covers it nicely inside the bibs. If I am wearing any kind of jacket over that, I will have the sweat shirt pulled up and over the handgun and let the jacket do the cover.

Now....if you're talking about "coveralls"....which aren't "bibs"..... then disregard my methods.


surv

Re: Carry w/bib style cover-alls????

Posted: Sun Dec 28, 2008 11:09 pm
by TDDude
Smart Carry.

Re: Carry w/bib style cover-alls????

Posted: Mon Dec 29, 2008 7:27 am
by Excaliber
srothstein wrote:It is always good to recognize when you may need to change your equipment. The problem may come about when you do so without enough practice. If you do change how you carry based on your clothing, remember to practice with all of the appropriate carry equipment AND the clothing. You want to be able to do this so you rememebr where to reach when you need to draw without thinking about it.

For example, I have our agents practice drawing from under a jacket, with the appropriate sweep of the garment, as well as just from the holster with no jacket on. This way, when they are on duty with or without a jacket, the correct draw will become automatic. We also recommend they practice their off duty draws the same way (and require it for qualification).
I emphatically agree.

In our department's training program, I got the Chief's OK to pull one or two officers off the street for an hour or so at a time for training. They were required to show up at the range with that day's full equipment - traffic vest, fall jacket, winter coat, raincoat, or whatever, and they had to shoot the department's rigid qualification course from the holster with no prior practice.

We had an electronic target system. The first few segments required the officer to draw from a fully secured holster and engage the target with three shots in 2 seconds. The following segments stretched the distance between 6 feet and 25 yards with only small additional time increments, which were enforced by the programmed turning targets. It was unusual for anyone to ace the entire course, even though it was only 25 rounds.

The first couple of times we did this, there was a lot of blue language as officers learned about what can go wrong with different combinations of clothing and equipment. After that, they became aware of the need to check out and practice with any changes to uniforms or equipment, and they made adjustments and tested things themselves or brought issues to the firearms instructors for suggestions. They performed very well in training and extraordinarily well on the street.