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McAllen, Harlingen, Weslaco incident

Posted: Fri Jan 02, 2009 11:01 am
by KD5NRH
I searched, and didn't find any mention of this here yet.

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Woman killed in Harlingen H.E.B.; Killer shoots himself in Weslaco Wal-Mart
December 31, 2008 - 2:30 PM
Jared Janes and Ana Ley
The Monitor

View a slideshow of photos from last night's chase from Harlingen to Weslaco

WESLACO - The man who kidnapped his girlfriend Tuesday in McAllen shot her in a Harlingen H.E.B. around 7 p.m. Wednesday, then drove a stolen car into a Weslaco Wal-Mart and killed himself.

After the 7 p.m. shooting in Harlingen, the man carjacked a black Cadillac SUV from the H.E.B parking lot.

The vehicle was equipped with OnStar, and police followed the SUV from Harlingen to Weslaco as it traveled along Expressway 83.

"We were very much concerned this would end up the way it has," said McAllen police Chief Victor Rodriguez at a press conference at 10:30 p.m. Wednesday. "Everyone did everything they could for this community."

Sonia and Vidal Loya, of Donna, were in the Wal-Mart when the SUV came crashing through the front of the store. They said they were in the jewelry department when they heard what sounded like gunshots.

They looked and saw the numbers over the checkout lanes slowly topple over, then Vidal said he looked toward the Customer Service Department and saw a truck plowing through the store.

Sonia said a Wal-Mart employee was instrumental in making sure people were safe by calmly grabbing them and moving them out of danger.

"I don't know who she was, but she helped everyone," Sonia said.

The couple ducked and moved toward the store's craft section.

"It was ugly, real ugly," Vidal said.

The two-day crime spree began Tuesday afternoon when 28-year-old Moises Gonzalez, of San Antonio, abducted a former girlfriend by forcing 23-year-old Rio Grande City resident Maura Marroquin off the road near the busy intersection of Pecan Boulevard and Bentsen Road in McAllen.

He later led police on a chase from Brownsville across the Valley, stealing two more vehicles during before police lost track of him in a stolen Volkswagen Passat.

On Wednesday, a gun-wielding Gonzalez - with his kidnapped victim still in tow - rang the doorbell of a home on Rogers Road in Edinburg and forced the person who came to the door to give him the keys to a Toyota Sequoia, said Hidalgo County Sheriff Lupe TreviƱo.

The person recognized Marroquin from news reports of the woman's kidnapping and told officers Gonzalez pushed and bullied the woman, who was crying and visibly distraught.

The Passat was abandoned near the scene of Wednesday's auto theft. The victim of that crime picked Gonzalez out of a photo lineup.

On Wednesday, just an hour after Gonzalez allegedly stole the Sequoia, the suspect was spotted at the parking lot of the Rio Grande Valley Premium Outlets in Mercedes, according to authorities.

Law enforcement authorities had worried the night would not end well.

"He has had no sleep. ... It's bound to come to a head (soon)," Rodriguez said in the hours before the incident's tragic conclusion.

"We're concerned that the nature of (Wednesday) evening will cause him to be on a crime high," Rodriguez said at the time. "The bottom line is we're becoming concerned. ... This is a very rare type of violence."

Rodriguez said Gonzalez was charged with burglary as recently as 20 days ago in Starr County. He is a registered gun carrier, "which indicates that he is proficient with a weapon," the chief added.

Re: McAllen, Harlingen, Weslaco incident

Posted: Fri Jan 02, 2009 12:09 pm
by pedalman
And what is the sentence He is a registered gun carrier, "which indicates that he is proficient with a weapon," the chief added. supposed to mean in Texas?

The last time I looked, Texans don't "register" firearms. :???:

Re: McAllen, Harlingen, Weslaco incident

Posted: Fri Jan 02, 2009 12:22 pm
by Fangs
You're not required to... but I was under the impression that you could, I just never looked into it. I'm sure someone here knows more about this. Unless it's a low-key way of them saying he had a CHL or was a LEO somewhere. Just what comes to mind.

Re: McAllen, Harlingen, Weslaco incident

Posted: Fri Jan 02, 2009 12:40 pm
by KC5AV
Rodriguez said Gonzalez was charged with burglary as recently as 20 days ago in Starr County. He is a registered gun carrier, "which indicates that he is proficient with a weapon," the chief added.
It seems to me that this is an indication that the perp was known to be armed.

Re: McAllen, Harlingen, Weslaco incident

Posted: Fri Jan 02, 2009 12:49 pm
by WildBill
pedalman wrote:He is a registered gun carrier, "which indicates that he is proficient with a weapon," the chief added.
In other threads, posters have suggested that all LEOs should be familiar with all CHL-Related laws. This statement, from a Police Chief, boggles my mind. :headscratch

Re: McAllen, Harlingen, Weslaco incident

Posted: Fri Jan 02, 2009 12:54 pm
by Nicolai
More discussion of this one at http://www.thehighroad.us/showthread.php?t=404460" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;.

Re: McAllen, Harlingen, Weslaco incident

Posted: Fri Jan 02, 2009 12:59 pm
by DoubleJ
it may indicate that he was registered by the cops as someone who typically carries a gun, or is known to carry a gun, as in a criminal type fashion.
considering he was charged with burglary, he may be the type that is "considered armed and dangerous"

KC5AV wrote: It seems to me that this is an indication that the perp was known to be armed.
yeah, what he said

Re: McAllen, Harlingen, Weslaco incident

Posted: Fri Jan 02, 2009 3:14 pm
by DONT TREAD ON ME
how does registered..regardless of what he meant by the term...translate into him being proficient with a weapon?

:confused5

Re: McAllen, Harlingen, Weslaco incident

Posted: Fri Jan 02, 2009 3:25 pm
by Charles L. Cotton
As Fangs pointed out, I hope that wasn't just a poor way of saying this guy has a CHL. If he was arrested or burglary 20 days earlier, they would have confiscated his CHL, if he had it on him. However, he still would have been a CHL.

Chas.

Re: McAllen, Harlingen, Weslaco incident

Posted: Fri Jan 02, 2009 4:37 pm
by WildBill
Some people get nervous, tongue-tied, or say dumb things while they are on-camera or talking to the press. Maybe the chief isn't very experienced making public statements.

Re: McAllen, Harlingen, Weslaco incident

Posted: Fri Jan 02, 2009 9:26 pm
by BTin
If this unfortunate story did involve a CHL holder, then it sounds like he may have committed half of the "CHL crimes" that make the Texas statistics for the year! Nothing to be proud of for him, but more a statement of how well behaved CHL holders really are!

Re: McAllen, Harlingen, Weslaco incident

Posted: Fri Jan 02, 2009 10:19 pm
by Revet
BTin wrote:If this unfortunate story did involve a CHL holder, then it sounds like he may have committed half of the "CHL crimes" that make the Texas statistics for the year! Nothing to be proud of for him, but more a statement of how well behaved CHL holders really are!
Groups like the Violence Policy Center and the Brady bunch wouldn't let the public see it as a rare occurrence. They'd repeat the story ad infinitum to make it seem like it happened all the time with CHL holders. In this case though, follow-up stories indicate this guy was just another thug, not a CHL gone bad.