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slightly different topic - I'm looking for recommendations for a horizontal shoulder holster for Glock 9mm. I'm looking for one that will allow use of various glock models (17, 19, 26) with the same holster, such as this one:
http://www.gtdist.com/ProductDetail.asp ... =GG-804-XX" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I see that most shoulder holsters are available in brown, some in black. Is that tradition or is there a practical reason not to choose black?

Also, any input on leather versus synthetic? High Noon has a synthetic one at a reasonable price:
http://www.highnoonholsters.com/Product ... armor.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

thanks

You didn't ask this, but I'll throw in my unsolicited $0.02. The thing with shoulder holsters is that they violate the safety principle of not aiming your weapon at anything you aren't willing to destroy. Think about standing in line somewhere and your muzzle is pointing at the person behind you. Or your arm. Makes me especially nervous if we're talking a Glock. I'll step down from my soap box now.

Blinking Dog wrote:You didn't ask this, but I'll throw in my unsolicited $0.02. The thing with shoulder holsters is that they violate the safety principle of not aiming your weapon at anything you aren't willing to destroy. Think about standing in line somewhere and your muzzle is pointing at the person behind you. Or your arm. Makes me especially nervous if we're talking a Glock. I'll step down from my soap box now.

Every time you bend over with your IWB/OWB you are doing the same thing. In fact if you carry IWB you are "covering" YOURSELF 90% of the time. What about purse carry, briefcase carry, etc... no one ever rags on that? A close examination of your mode of carry will reveal...that you point at yourself or someone else sometime during the day.

Fact is: Any modern weapon (with all safety features working), untouched by anyone/anything is perfectly safe, carry as you wish with complete confidence.

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flintknapper wrote:A close examination of your mode of carry will reveal...that you point at yourself or someone else sometime during the day.

If you are carrying IWB I suppose, depending on your model, you might cover your own leg now and then. Sure, I suppose that might happen. But you don't cover other folks. And when you draw you pull straight out of holster so muzzle is pointing down, and bring the pistol in front of you at low ready. This seems the safest manner. If you draw from a shoulder holster first you're covering an innocent if they are behind you, and then you cover an innocent if they are next to you.

Not the safest thing from a "don't point your gun at anything you don't intend to destroy" standpoint. I don't see how that is something one could argue. Either you're covering someone or you're not. And covering isn't safe, period.

I don't point my gun at people, and I sure hope other CHL'rs don't either. If you do, then you ought to re-consider your carry method.

Blinking Dog wrote:

If you are carrying IWB I suppose, depending on your model, you might cover your own leg now and then. Sure, I suppose that might happen. But you don't cover other folks.

There is no "suppose" about it. The vast majority of carry methods have you "covering" someone (yourself or others) sometime during the day. Its a fact to plain to require argument. My point however...is a simple one: Until your weapon (properly functioning), is handled....it is perfectly safe and should be of no real concern to anyone. I must assume you also object to a woman carrying a pistol in her purse, as it is unlikely the muzzle remains "vertical" all day. What about pocket carry, briefcase carry, carry in a vehicle. Even if you carry vertically in a IWB/OMB is anyone really safe if you go upstairs....or get above them for any reason? Sorry, but there IS a point at which we must consider our weapons to be "safe", or logic dictates that we stop carrying altogether.

And when you draw you pull straight out of holster so muzzle is pointing down, and bring the pistol in front of you at low ready. This seems the safest manner.

Agreed, (when done properly) most folks can avoid covering their own leg/foot when drawing in this manner. Additionally, it presents the weapon with the muzzle down more consistently than most other modes...so your point is both valid and well taken.

If you draw from a shoulder holster first you're covering an innocent if they are behind you, and then you cover an innocent if they are next to you.

No Sir! Unless you do not understand the proper mechanics of drawing from a horizontal shoulder rig. Apparently most folks don't....since this subject comes up at least 2-3 times a year on this forum alone.
Properly drawn...as the muzzle clears the holster...you move it immediately toward the ground in a sort of 45 deg. arc., perfectly safe.

Not the safest thing from a "don't point your gun at anything you don't intend to destroy" standpoint. I don't see how that is something one could argue. Either you're covering someone or you're not. And covering isn't safe, period.

Those who define "covering" as: The muzzle of your weapon pointing at something unintended (regardless of it's firing condition) can put their weapons in the safe and stop carrying right now! This is a ridiculous restriction and unachievable in the real world. Anyone disputing this...needs to take a good hard look at how they carry and see if they in fact NEVER point the muzzle somewhere unintended.

I don't point my gun at people, and I sure hope other CHL'rs don't either. If you do, then you ought to re-consider your carry method.

I don't know your method of carry...but I would wager you DO point your gun at yourself or someone else if you carry very much. I hope I do not come across as sounding cavalier concerning gun safety. But the fact is: Too much is made of the "NEVER point your gun" thing. It is sound advice when applied within the constraints of a readily dis-chargeable weapon. It also makes sense to minimize pointing the muzzle at people/objects to the extent that you can, but please be reasonable and intellectually honest in your evaluation of what is safe (and what is not) as it relates to concealed carry.

Thank you for your thoughts,

Flint.

Flint, I guess I'm just going to have to agree to disagree with you on this one. Admittedly, I'm overzealous in my concern for safety these days. I just see too many stupid moves by people, even folks I know, to let up. I guess I view it like the perverbial slippery slope. So carry safe bro, and God bless.

Blinking Dog wrote:Flint, I guess I'm just going to have to agree to disagree with you on this one. Admittedly, I'm overzealous in my concern for safety these days. I just see too many stupid moves by people, even folks I know, to let up. I guess I view it like the perverbial slippery slope. So carry safe bro, and God bless.

No less for you friend.

thanks for all the input.
I agree one must exercise caution with a shoulder holster - but then one must exercise caustion whenever firearms are involved.

I found a good deal on G&G shoulder holsters at http://www.officerstore.com;" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; I think I'll give them a try.

I ordered a vertical shoulder holster from FIST for my XDSC9. It has not arrived yet, however, looks to be a great holster. Below is the link for the horizontal one.

http://www.fist-inc.com/holsters/holster/71.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;