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New cartridge, Winchester PDX1
Posted: Fri Feb 20, 2009 1:46 am
by kalipsocs
Wonder how well this stuff works. Would love to see some independent tests!
NEW WINCHESTER® BONDED PDX1™—SUPERIOR PERSONAL PROTECTION AMMUNITION
The new Winchester Supreme Elite Bonded PDX1, which was chosen by the FBI as their primary service round, is now available in a full line of popular handgun calibers. The Bonded PDX1 is engineered to maximize terminal ballistics, as defined by the demanding FBI test protocol, which simulates real-world threats. The new Winchester Bonded PDX is offered in 9mm, 40 Smith & Wesson, 45 automatic and .38 special.
Winchester Bonded PDX1 technology is superior to competitive personal protection loads with features that include:
* Proprietary bonding process—Welds lead and jacket together to work as a unit controlling expansion and providing superior retained weight.
* Hollow point—Works with the bonding process for outstanding performance through tough barriers and impact velocities/ranges.
* Jacket notching—Six segments help promote positive, consistent and programmed expansion at a variety of impact velocities.
* Copper alloy jacket—Contoured for maximum upset over a wide range of velocities/ranges.
* Nickel plated shellcase—Helps ensure positive gun function through smooth chambering and shellcase ejection.
Offerings:
Symbol Line Grain Jacket
S9MMPDB 9mm +P 124g JHP Bonded
S9MMPDB1 9mm Luger 147g JHP Bonded
S40SWPDB 40 S&W 165g JHP Bonded
S40SWPDB1 40 S&W 180g JHP Bonded
S45PDB 45 Auto 230g JHP Bonded
S38PDB 38 Sp +P 130g JHP Bonded
Re: New cartridge, Winchester PDX1
Posted: Fri Feb 20, 2009 8:07 am
by TexasVet
Looks like the Ranger SXT line boxed for general market, not LEO, use with a probable price jump.
Re: New cartridge, Winchester PDX1
Posted: Fri Feb 20, 2009 8:21 am
by gregthehand
The specs sound like the rundown of a Speer Gold Dot.
Re: New cartridge, Winchester PDX1
Posted: Fri Feb 20, 2009 11:02 am
by AEA
Cool.....but.......HST works for me and I'm sticking with it as long as it is available. If/When it is not available, I use Hydra-Shok.
Re: New cartridge, Winchester PDX1
Posted: Fri Feb 20, 2009 11:19 am
by Purplehood
I honestly know nothing about ammunition (well, I now know the basic difference between FMJ and HP).
I bought all my handguns in .40 cal S&W and buy only Winchester White Box Hollow=Points. Should I stick with them or consider this new stuff?
Re: New cartridge, Winchester PDX1
Posted: Fri Feb 20, 2009 11:40 am
by mr.72
I don't think there is anything at all wrong with the WWB hollowpoints. They are basically Silvertips without the nickel plating. I have them in spare mags for my 9mms. I use Federal Tactical HST in my daily carry gun but in the car and home guns (high cap 9mms), I have no problem with the WWB.
Somewhere I can dig up some ballistics testing comparing the WWB 9mm HPs to Silvertips demonstrating that they are basically identical in performance. If it is that important I will look it up.
The big advantage of the WWB HPs is that they are cheap enough that you can shoot a few hundred through the pistol and ensure absolute reliability, and you can get a lot more practice with your carry ammo for the dollar. More often than not if I buy expensive ammo to carry, I wind up doing 99% of my practice with some other ammo. I like knowing the POI vs. POA and feel of the carry ammo.
Re: New cartridge, Winchester PDX1
Posted: Fri Feb 20, 2009 12:16 pm
by Purplehood
mr.72 wrote:I don't think there is anything at all wrong with the WWB hollowpoints. They are basically Silvertips without the nickel plating. I have them in spare mags for my 9mms. I use Federal Tactical HST in my daily carry gun but in the car and home guns (high cap 9mms), I have no problem with the WWB.
Somewhere I can dig up some ballistics testing comparing the WWB 9mm HPs to Silvertips demonstrating that they are basically identical in performance. If it is that important I will look it up.
The big advantage of the WWB HPs is that they are cheap enough that you can shoot a few hundred through the pistol and ensure absolute reliability, and you can get a lot more practice with your carry ammo for the dollar. More often than not if I buy expensive ammo to carry, I wind up doing 99% of my practice with some other ammo. I like knowing the POI vs. POA and feel of the carry ammo.
Thanks, I thought that might be the case since when I ask for the "good stuff" I almost always get pointed at it...
Re: New cartridge, Winchester PDX1
Posted: Fri Feb 20, 2009 12:45 pm
by Kawabuggy
Definitely look like Speer Gold Dots. I wonder what the price per box will be. Just buying the component bullets to load Speer Gold Dots is not cheap. I think I paid $31 for a box of 100 for my .45. At that price point, I am very selective about how much target practice I do with them.
Re: New cartridge, Winchester PDX1
Posted: Fri Feb 20, 2009 12:56 pm
by DoubleJ
TexasVet wrote:Looks like the Ranger SXT line boxed for general market, not LEO, use with a probable price jump.
I don't believe the SXT's are bonded, and there IS a line of Bonded Rangers already, I wonder if these are the same, or different. I have a box of those, I'll have to check when I get home.
The major difference I see is that the RA45TP is +P, which for me is a little bit of a thing. muzzle velocity for the RA45TP is 990fps. wonder what these guys fly at.
and yeah, just like the GoldDots, except the GD's have a 115gr. 9mm in +P+
Re: New cartridge, Winchester PDX1
Posted: Fri Feb 20, 2009 12:59 pm
by DoubleJ
Purplehood wrote:mr.72 wrote:I don't think there is anything at all wrong with the WWB hollowpoints. They are basically Silvertips without the nickel plating. I have them in spare mags for my 9mms. I use Federal Tactical HST in my daily carry gun but in the car and home guns (high cap 9mms), I have no problem with the WWB.
Somewhere I can dig up some ballistics testing comparing the WWB 9mm HPs to Silvertips demonstrating that they are basically identical in performance. If it is that important I will look it up.
The big advantage of the WWB HPs is that they are cheap enough that you can shoot a few hundred through the pistol and ensure absolute reliability, and you can get a lot more practice with your carry ammo for the dollar. More often than not if I buy expensive ammo to carry, I wind up doing 99% of my practice with some other ammo. I like knowing the POI vs. POA and feel of the carry ammo.
Thanks, I thought that might be the case since when I ask for the "good stuff" I almost always get pointed at it...
two words: jacket seperation.
in my experience (ie. reading this board and stuff on The Box o' Truth) I would be much more apt to go with the premium stuff. but that's just me.